Forums Issues

rcrask · 02:53 AM

Greetings....

We have reduced the minimum number of characters in a posting to 25 from 50. The reason for the minimum (I would still prefer 50) is so that the posts contain something real to read, rather than one or two word comments, or chat type posts. I recognize that sometimes there might be very few words to say, but one, two or three word posts are not really that interesting and many times are just chatter.

Also, a number of forums database issues have been cleaned up lately and other changes have been made to reduce server loading and disk space. During some of this process, we have had the content "cache" turned off, which increases the load time for threads, etc. We have completed the back-end maintenance work on the forums and will again turn on the cache. Over the next 12-hours or so, the most popular threads and posts will again be in the cache and the download performance will improve.

Let me address the software license issues for these forums and other istaria.com websites, which have been the subject of much discussion by certain individuals.

a) E I Communications Corp. purchased all of the game related assets to operate and continue development of Horizons and those assets included hardware, software, etc. As part of that purchase, we also purchased all websites, and all related systems, including the forums, IRC chat, content management systems, trouble ticketing systems, etc. That asset purchase included all needed software and software licenses.

b) There have been certain parties that have claimed that they owned certain software or licenses or that other related parties owned same and those assets and licenses were not part of the sale. This issue has been completely cleared up by Tulga, in that Tulga management has in writing, on more than two occasions, informed all current and former vendors of software and software licenses that those assets and related licenses were to be transferred to E I Communication Corp. I know this is actually the case, as I have been copied on these communications, including on communications to the complaining parties.

c) Specifically, as it relates to these forums, David Bowman personally handled the transfer of the vBulletin license to E I Communications Corp.

Given the volume level and pitch of forums postings and other communications by certain parties, I have been reluctant to say anything, simply because of the increasing possibility we might need to take other more formal action. But at this point, I feel comfortable enough with our position in this matter and with the actions taken by Tulga that I can speak more freely about this issue.

Thank you for taking the time to read this posting.

Best,

Raymond Rask
President & CTO
E I Communications Corp.

zayin · August 24th, 2006, 12:29 AM

very good info. thank you but maybe this post should be in a different area than suggestions? just a suggestion.

BKBanzai · August 24th, 2006, 03:19 AM

Thank you for posting that

. It clears up some misconceptions that had been floating around.

Duergos · August 24th, 2006, 03:24 AM

I find you to be very articulate sir

Obviously higher education has its rewards

Cheers!!

Aamer Khan · August 24th, 2006, 03:54 AM

And thank YOU for posting this.

It really will go a long way in settling fears.

Very good form!

Fratricide · August 24th, 2006, 04:14 AM

Actually, it would be better form for the one to have made the previous claims to be able to come here and state that the situation has been resolved. This is still a he said she said problem just like AE and TG had with GN. It can only be truly resolved when all parties can be heard from at the same location. And from what I have heard... an account has been deleted and the other poster has no abilities to post here anymore, and perhaps no desire as well.

Not trying to discount the attempt at settling this matter, just saying it perhaps should have come from the previous initiating party to be truly believed

BKBanzai · August 24th, 2006, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fratricide

Not trying to discount the attempt at settling this matter, just saying it perhaps should have come from the previous initiating party to be truly believed

The previous party stated that if any of her posts were edited or deleted, she'd shut down the forums. That did not happen, so it is very possible it is because she no longer held the license. Perhaps she was unaware of the extent of the transfer of "holdings" from TG to EI.

Theolaerynn · August 24th, 2006, 05:11 AM

Thank you for posting :-)

Amazing how a little communication can go a long way :-)

Chioxin · August 24th, 2006, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fratricide

Actually, it would be better form for the one to have made the previous claims to be able to come here and state that the situation has been resolved. This is still a he said she said problem just like AE and TG had with GN. believed

Quite honestly... it's always going to be a "he said she said" no matter what for some people.

======

RASK! Thanks for the information! =)

Fratricide · August 24th, 2006, 05:18 AM

BK,

Whether or not the initiator of this situation realized or not that the license was transferred at the time of their post isnt what my statement was about. It was more to the point that Party A... lets call them the first poster.. and Party B... lets call them EI... had differing opinions as to what was and was not actually transferred in the sale of the game.

Party B says that everything including all the liscenses to these forums were transferred.

Party A has said that they were not.

Party B says that Party A has been sent the paperwork regarding this.

Party A has yet to respond to this one way or the other. Party A, according to what I understand, Cannot respond to Party B's post here on these forums because Party A no longer has a voice here because, from what I understand, Party B deleted that voice.

Now... As I said previously. The initial statement by Party A was such to lead us to understand that Party B had not infact completed the proper paperwork to obtain the rights to the software that enables these forums to work. Party B says that infact that paperwork was completed and they have copies of said paperwork that has been sent to all other parties involved in the transaction. Yet, This situation is still truly finalized until Party A is capable of giving closure to this issue no matter how much discussion Party B gives to the matter.

<I Deleted some things that would have gotten me in trouble here...>

Yup.. I get more confusing the later in the evening I post..

Peaches · August 24th, 2006, 03:42 PM

per Rasks official statement. So, lets just let the past go and move forward.

Thanks

Frith-Rae · August 24th, 2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

say, but one, two or three word posts are not really that interesting and many times are just chatter.

I understand that you may not feel, and I agree, that one/2/3 word posts contribute much.

But consider this...

1-Forums are here for "chatter" as you call it

2-people (as they are already) won't be attempting to put anything more meaningful than their one or two words if that's all they wanted to say. Instead they will just randomly fill in the spaces until they can post the post.

So instead of a post saying:

"Yes I agree"

It says

"Yes I agree

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX"

or something.

Like when Peaches recently filled in her 50 letter limit with a big long WOOOOOOOOOT!

I just think the letter limit is silly and unnecessary

. Please consider these points.

snickel · August 24th, 2006, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frith-Rae

I understand that you may not feel, and I agree, that one/2/3 word posts contribute much.

But consider this...

1-Forums are here for "chatter" as you call it

2-people (as they are already) won't be attempting to put anything more meaningful than their one or two words if that's all they wanted to say. Instead they will just randomly fill in the spaces until they can post the post.

So instead of a post saying:

"Yes I agree"

It says

"Yes I agree

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX"

or something.

Like when Peaches recently filled in her 50 letter limit with a big long WOOOOOOOOOT!

I just think the letter limit is silly and unnecessary

. Please consider these points.

I do agree!

But the message I entered was too short....

Spartikus · August 24th, 2006, 04:16 PM

The license wasnt Davids to transfer =) Thats the long and the short of it. Not trying to stir up the pot here but Ophelia let Tulga use her VB license. She didnt sign the license over to Tulga.

Thats the issue. For the sake of putting this silliness to rest wouldnt it be just the easiest to go and fork out the $150 bucks?

Cheers and good luck

Peaches · August 24th, 2006, 04:45 PM

its he said she said, and that doesn't help the matter. Rask stated his facts, as they are, and in the scope of things, its about as official as you will get.

CallakDW · August 24th, 2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frith-Rae

So instead of a post saying:

"Yes I agree"

It says

"Yes I agree

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX"

or something.

I tried that once. My post got deleted.

"This forum requires that you wait 120 seconds between posts. Please try again in 24 seconds."
Again, I haven't posted yet since I started lunch from work, what's with this?

Chioxin · August 24th, 2006, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CallakDW

Again, I haven't posted yet since I started lunch from work, what's with this?

Send a PM perhaps? I just noticed that it also starts the timer.

CallakDW · August 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM

I did nothing before posting this on this forum but browse other threads. And it keeps happening.

Kulamata · August 25th, 2006, 05:20 PM

The timer messes up the edit function as well.

Very irritating, the timer, and I'm not sure why the change was needed; I'm not aware of any problem that it fixed.

Nalrach · August 27th, 2006, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snickel

<Quoting a complete post 25 line, yes 25 lines since the return for empty line has to be stored somewhere ... and his reply>
I do agree!

But the message I entered was too short....

Humm!!! I see that Snickel has not understood anything that RCRask said and RCSack to fail to understand the real issue.

As to RCRask comment ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcrask

We have reduced the minimum number of characters in a posting to 25 from 50. The reason for the minimum (I would still prefer 50) is so that the posts contain something real to read, rather than one or two word comments....

I don't think the issue is the length of the post, because peoples still can post useless repetitive info in 25 lines. On other hand, other's that I appreciate their views and comment greatly, can post 40-100 lines of coherent and usefull information. Snickel post is the flagrant example of what I'm expressing, yes quotes are usefull, but reposting a complete post with and answer " I Agree" is not usefull and like RCRask said ... "" other changes have been made to reduce server loading and disk space ""

RCRask I don't know if the forum software can do it, but I think if the software could check that the quote is less then 50% of the message to allow posting it, would be more usefull then cutting it down to 25 lines versus 50 lines.

Just my own view really ...

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#1 August 24th, 2006, 12:13 AM
rcrask Dr. Raymond C. Rask, President & CTO - E I Interactive Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5	Forums Issues Greetings.... We have reduced the minimum number of characters in a posting to 25 from 50. The reason for the minimum (I would still prefer 50) is so that the posts contain something real to read, rather than one or two word comments, or chat type posts. I recognize that sometimes there might be very few words to say, but one, two or three word posts are not really that interesting and many times are just chatter. Also, a number of forums database issues have been cleaned up lately and other changes have been made to reduce server loading and disk space. During some of this process, we have had the content "cache" turned off, which increases the load time for threads, etc. We have completed the back-end maintenance work on the forums and will again turn on the cache. Over the next 12-hours or so, the most popular threads and posts will again be in the cache and the download performance will improve. Let me address the software license issues for these forums and other istaria.com websites, which have been the subject of much discussion by certain individuals. a) E I Communications Corp. purchased all of the game related assets to operate and continue development of Horizons and those assets included hardware, software, etc. As part of that purchase, we also purchased all websites, and all related systems, including the forums, IRC chat, content management systems, trouble ticketing systems, etc. That asset purchase included all needed software and software licenses. b) There have been certain parties that have claimed that they owned certain software or licenses or that other related parties owned same and those assets and licenses were not part of the sale. This issue has been completely cleared up by Tulga, in that Tulga management has in writing, on more than two occasions, informed all current and former vendors of software and software licenses that those assets and related licenses were to be transferred to E I Communication Corp. I know this is actually the case, as I have been copied on these communications, including on communications to the complaining parties. c) Specifically, as it relates to these forums, David Bowman personally handled the transfer of the vBulletin license to E I Communications Corp. Given the volume level and pitch of forums postings and other communications by certain parties, I have been reluctant to say anything, simply because of the increasing possibility we might need to take other more formal action. But at this point, I feel comfortable enough with our position in this matter and with the actions taken by Tulga that I can speak more freely about this issue. Thank you for taking the time to read this posting. Best, Raymond Rask President & CTO E I Communications Corp. Last edited by EIHorizons; August 24th, 2006 at 02:53 AM..

#2 August 24th, 2006, 12:29 AM
zayin Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 66	very good info. thank you but maybe this post should be in a different area than suggestions? just a suggestion.

#3 August 24th, 2006, 03:19 AM
BKBanzai Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 670	Thank you for posting that . It clears up some misconceptions that had been floating around.

#4 August 24th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Duergos Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 141	I find you to be very articulate sir Obviously higher education has its rewards Cheers!!

#5 August 24th, 2006, 03:54 AM
Aamer Khan Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,056	And thank YOU for posting this. It really will go a long way in settling fears. Very good form! __________________ As a new dawn rises over Istaria, may we all band together to meet the challenges! Continuing Development of Horizons... SWEET!

#6 August 24th, 2006, 04:14 AM
Fratricide Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 784	Actually, it would be better form for the one to have made the previous claims to be able to come here and state that the situation has been resolved. This is still a he said she said problem just like AE and TG had with GN. It can only be truly resolved when all parties can be heard from at the same location. And from what I have heard... an account has been deleted and the other poster has no abilities to post here anymore, and perhaps no desire as well. Not trying to discount the attempt at settling this matter, just saying it perhaps should have come from the previous initiating party to be truly believed __________________ Elated that HZ is no longer in the hands of the Infidels. Now.. I may have to split my time between 2 games... CS:S and HZ...

#8 August 24th, 2006, 05:11 AM
Theolaerynn Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 776	Thank you for posting :-) Amazing how a little communication can go a long way :-) __________________ "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein

#10 August 24th, 2006, 05:18 AM
Fratricide Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 784	BK, Whether or not the initiator of this situation realized or not that the license was transferred at the time of their post isnt what my statement was about. It was more to the point that Party A... lets call them the first poster.. and Party B... lets call them EI... had differing opinions as to what was and was not actually transferred in the sale of the game. Party B says that everything including all the liscenses to these forums were transferred. Party A has said that they were not. Party B says that Party A has been sent the paperwork regarding this. Party A has yet to respond to this one way or the other. Party A, according to what I understand, Cannot respond to Party B's post here on these forums because Party A no longer has a voice here because, from what I understand, Party B deleted that voice. Now... As I said previously. The initial statement by Party A was such to lead us to understand that Party B had not infact completed the proper paperwork to obtain the rights to the software that enables these forums to work. Party B says that infact that paperwork was completed and they have copies of said paperwork that has been sent to all other parties involved in the transaction. Yet, This situation is still truly finalized until Party A is capable of giving closure to this issue no matter how much discussion Party B gives to the matter. <I Deleted some things that would have gotten me in trouble here...> Yup.. I get more confusing the later in the evening I post.. __________________ Elated that HZ is no longer in the hands of the Infidels. Now.. I may have to split my time between 2 games... CS:S and HZ...

#11 August 24th, 2006, 03:42 PM
Peaches Dancer In Darkness Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,417	It appears to be closed now per Rasks official statement. So, lets just let the past go and move forward. Thanks __________________

#14 August 24th, 2006, 04:16 PM
Spartikus Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 148	The license wasnt Davids to transfer =) Thats the long and the short of it. Not trying to stir up the pot here but Ophelia let Tulga use her VB license. She didnt sign the license over to Tulga. Thats the issue. For the sake of putting this silliness to rest wouldnt it be just the easiest to go and fork out the $150 bucks? Cheers and good luck

#15 August 24th, 2006, 04:45 PM
Peaches Dancer In Darkness Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,417	Once again its he said she said, and that doesn't help the matter. Rask stated his facts, as they are, and in the scope of things, its about as official as you will get. __________________

#18 August 24th, 2006, 05:23 PM
CallakDW Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,182	I did nothing before posting this on this forum but browse other threads. And it keeps happening.

#19 August 25th, 2006, 05:20 PM
Kulamata Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,146	The timer messes up the edit function as well. Very irritating, the timer, and I'm not sure why the change was needed; I'm not aware of any problem that it fixed. __________________ ____Kulamata Quality Armor___ None Genuine without this Pawprint `','' Achiever 86%, Explorer 60%, Socializer 46%, Killer 6%.

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