Just a quick question here, has anyone successfully run Horizons on a Mac using the Windows emulator or Bootcamp? We're about to replace our PC's with Macs and I'd hate to loose Horizons.
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Just a quick question here, has anyone successfully run Horizons on a Mac using the Windows emulator or Bootcamp? We're about to replace our PC's with Macs and I'd hate to loose Horizons.
I use Parallels to run Windows, but I also have IE7 on it. When I tried to launch from the website, it crashed the browser (and I did install the ActiveX control) and when I tried to use the Launcher I got some error to do with HTTP SOAP. So I just gave up.
Hi there;
Horizons is a massively complicated program; if any emulator could manage it I'd be amazed. It would be a marvel to see though! Hz's isn't graphically that complicated, but it's all the underlying stuff that might give an emulator a tough time. At least mac's are using the same processors now, so I'd wager it's not impossible.
How come you're loosing pc's in favour of macs? Perhaps some arm-twisting is in order to make whoever it is keep a few pc's. ;)
Rakku
I haven't used Bootcamp per se, but I have successfully run Horizons in Wine, which is sortof (but not really) an emulator for windows apps on linux operating systems. So, I would say it's possible, BUT the problem will be the patcher. The patcher and launcher use a mix of .Net and native windows code. I was unable to get this to work on Linux and I doubt it will until some major progress is done on a .Net implementation for Linux. As I understand it, Mac OS runs on a core that is very similar to Linux core so I would guess that my experience would be typical of what you would get with your Mac.
SunBaked have you tried Bootcamp? I have attempted to use Parallels, I can patch and the game even starts but at various points in startup it crashes back to IE. As for Bootcamp I don't think you would have a problem because you are not emulating you are starting up in Windows (native). I would be interested to see if that works for you. I may give Bootcamp a try, I'm waiting for the arrival of OS X 10.5, Bootcamp is part of 10.5 I'll try it then. If you have any luck post the info, I'm interested in hearing your results.
Will do Klag. I don't think you're alone there either. Near as I can tell I'm the first to ask and I'm sure the developers would like to view some results too. Good thing I play on Blight already. ;)
Of course the silly season is coming up quick so a purchase of this size will have to wait until the dust settles ... unless I can convince my wife and the bank otherwise. :cool:
I can verify that Horizons runs just peachy on a MacBook Pro under Bootcamp with XPsp2, this includes running all of the video settings to max, turning on the shadows, enabling the cloth simulation, and enabling ground clutter at about 50% on the slider.
The laptop is running 10.5.1 and it's the 17" with the 8600 video card in it.
I've not tried HZ with Parallels yet, but I don't imagine it'll work.
I can likewise attest that Horizons runs fine on an iMac using Bootcamp. Better than on our PC with the Creative soundcard, even!
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Thorncloud/Order
Thats because bootcamp is just running Windows on Mac hardware. Parallel's doesn't have full direct3d support so won't run it. If you must use a mac, do yourself a favor and get Windows XP and use bootcamp to format the hard drive.
Well, there's always a potential of Bootcamp not working for something, mostly due to the fact it uses Apple sourced drivers for all of the Mac's hardware. For example, on my Macbook Pro Secondlife's "Windlight" had issues under Bootcamp due to the bad Apple 8600 drivers... One driver download from Nvidia and a hacked .inf fixed that though. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nidhoggr
Now if only I could do that for the 8600 driver in OSX... :mad:
But yes, Parallels is mostly for non-game software that you don't feel like purchasing again for your Mac...
True apple drivers are still required. Blame that on the proprietary mac motherboard. One major reason I hate apple, but that would be ranting. However, if apple would only loosen its control on their hardware they probably would control a much bigger part of the market. At the very least it would decrease the price for mac hardware, which is at least 150% more than an equilivant PC.
Exactly. I will never buy an apple anything (computer, phone, mp3 player) because they are way more money for the same product. Now if they'd just charge standard prices I'd consider it.
Sunbaked, sorry for the delay, but with the holidays, new job etc. it took a while. But like the others I have no problem playing Horizons on my Mac Mini with Bootcamp, works great, very stable.
I see people saying Parallels won't work (darn it), but has anyone tried any other emulator? Do any of them have the full 3D support needed?
Anyone following news about the next version of Parallels? Has anyone heard if there's a chance that it will have the 3D support?
Reason I ask is because my laptop is on it's last bytes. I'm seriously considering going back to Mac. I'd actually rather run XP on a Mac than Vista on anything. ;) What would be awesome is if there was hope that someday soon-ish I could truly dual-boot (meaning boot both OS's, not having to restart) to run Windows only when I need to play Horizons, and could run MacOS the rest of the time.
Thanks :)
Definitely don't like Vista, but even if parallels does allow 3d support, using the direct3d wrapper will severely affect performance. I believe parallels tries to change all direct3d calls to openGL calls so the MacOS (or Linux) could implement them. Of course processing code twice will prevent Horizons from running smoothly. Then you must account for the patcher issues.
Running two operating system at the same time if impossible (as far as I know). The different system kernels would conflict over memory usage and simply it would be a mess.
My understanding is that if you use Parallels, you are running two OS's at once. It just runs Windows in emulation mode. So maybe that's not really considered running them both at once, but just acts like that?
Technically its not. Its a virtual machine. Basically it tells the MacOS to act like Windows. By converting all system calls into something that the application is looking for. It also converts any responses from the application into calls that the native operating system can implement.
There is no Windows system files on your computer. All hardware is mapped directly through the virtual machine. Thats why Hardware accelerated support is so difficult. All the Hardware is recreated by the virtual machine so driver support is difficult. Its possible but would eat even more CPU resources. And drivers tend to flaky in their native operating system anyway.
I think it's rather safe to say it would be a very slow game in any kind of emulation software. Even my Win98 installation on MS Virtual PC caps out at around the equivalent of a 400mhz pc... ish. That has no 3d hardware support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidhoggr
Bootcamp may be the way forward if you have to run on a mac.
Rakku
hello, i have been away from istaria for a long long time, very long, and i wish to come back, but i switched to mac's and have a macbook pro i use now. i searched everything i could about istaria on a mac, and found nothing. and help?
i dont have bootcamp or any windows app i can use at the moment either
The Macbook Pro has an Intel processor (either the Intel Core Duo or Core 2 Duo), so with bootcamp and Windows XP you can run Istaria.
Istaria will not work in MacOS, but with bootcamp you can boot into Windows and operate it like a PC.
Bootcamp is free, found here: http://www.apple.com/bootcamp
Windows, of course is not free. Note: Windows XP will only be available for a short time. The system builder's OEM version (the only thing not decontinued to date) will only be available until January 2009.
You could set up a dual-boot to Linux and install Istaria on that following this guide, more or less, maybe.
Is there a work around without dual booting? If not then i dont think i can play:/
Not that I know of. I only have been able to play HZ on Bootcamp with my mac, and even then it drops sometimes.
I don't see any problem here.
http://www.playonmac.com/en/download.html
free application that allows you to play Windows games on Mac.
it works great on Linux , tho I don't have Mac so can't tell if Istaria works with it on Mac.
But I heard from someone having Mac that "Wine" does it job.
Thisll help. I knew that wine would work for mac but they never had a mac download so i didnt know which to use.
Yup doesnt work:/ or im to incompetent to get it to work:P
Triple posting? big taboo? I duno. Anyway heres what I did and maybe someone can help me here:P
I downloaded PlayOnMac and ran it.
I downloaded Istaria and the .Net framework.
I ran Istaria.exe , of course it didn't work because I needed the launcher.
I tried to launch the launcher but it did't work either.
I downloaded the launcher from the site ran it and tried to link it to the Istaria folder but when I went looking for the folder I could not find it. It was gone:P but when I went looking with the finder I found it. Though it was a pain in the butt.
Go>Computer>Users>[insert name]>Library>PlayOnMac>WinePrefix>here
thats where it saves everything. Everything downloaded is saved with its own prefix so it doesnt confuse them.
Any help is awesome!
Why can't you duel boot? I assume that you have an XP disc....
You would be wrong then=D i have no discs =P
It's been forever, and I'd love to be able to play this game with my boyfriend however he has a Mac and can't get/afford/whatever that bootcamp thing.
Is there any other way?
I thought this would have been available to all by now!
(Sorry to be ranty but :mad:)
It's no simple matter to convert a program designed for one platform to be compatible with another. I'd wager that the code would have to be either largely rewritten or heavily expanded upon (which would make already cluttered code much more so).
You could look into installing Linux onto the Mac instead of Windows. It may be possible to run Istaria that way.
*I have no idea if this would work or not, but Linux is free
While completely unsupported, you might have some luck running Istaria on wine.
http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/Installing
It's not as simple as using bootcamp, but it is free...
Currently playing Istaria through Parallels Mac-Windows 7 without a problem
same here. I run Parallels (virtual machine) on my mac book and windows 7 and play istaria on the windows side with out problems, it help to keep it in full screen less lag least on my computer. but istaria also works fine on the mac side too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teneka
How do you have Istaria running on the Mac side? Wine?Quote:
Originally Posted by AguaRush
Nope :D there is an istaria beta download here on the community site to play on mac. idk how it works exactly it might be wine....Quote:
Originally Posted by Teneka
http://community.istaria.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=26315
i posted a thread bout this when i got a mac a while ago.
looking on the download page i cant find the link to download it to mac anymore :/
it was a Beta Mac Download maybe the devs removed it ...or I'm just blind.
Wow it's amazing how time flies by... it seems an age ago I saw this thread.
I ended up with a mac book pro with bootcamp and a split 128/128gb ssd, and put Istaria on the Win7 side. It runs very nicely. :) My experience of running games, primarily Steam games, has been pretty unfulfilling. I have the silly resolution screen, and nothing supports it properly. If you run in the half-resolution 1440 x 900, the image doesn't fit. And yet there is no issue running games on Win7, even with the screen, so it's a no brainer to use Windows for the games.
I hope it continues to work well, as I'm in South Africa for 9 weeks from Sunday. :|
Rakku
Instructions for running Istaria on Mac with PlayOnMac
https://support.istaria.com/index.ph...ode=view&id=64
I tried running through the process they discussed in support but i keep getting a flashing screen and then istaria crashes after it updates. Anyone have a clue as to what that is about?
When you say 'Updates' are you referring to Patching? In that case, have you installed the .NET component.
Put a support ticket, they may be able to better diagnose the problem.