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    heh, for that to happen there are going to need to be a lot more games offering dragon like this one does

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    Truly. This game has a lot of dragons because there is no other game like it that allows you to play a dragon. The only other two games I can think of are "I of the Dragon," which sadly was a complete hackjob of a game, and the "Spyro" series, which does not make you feel like a dragon at all... it makes you feel like a kid with a squirtgun full of gasoline.

    Of course, even if there were a lot more games with playable dragons, Istaria would still be greatly populated by them. People like their Istarian dragons, and no matter of "% population of dragons vs. % population of bipeds" will make them quit playing what they like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblaze View Post
    I'm sorry no. You live too much in the stereotype. I know melee helians who pwn lunus ancients.

    Best no to let philosophy dictate my combat or ability, I'll let you have your opinion, it's valid... but I wont change mine, sorry.

    My ideas arent just mine, Guaran has similar opinions.
    I m not talking about player's skill, I'm talking about game mechanics.

    Being a Lunus give more T&C while being a Helian gives more Primal skill. T&C is linked to melee abilities while Primal is linked to spells and a few abilities. you can't argue that.

  4. #84

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    lol you all got confused by my post, that's what I meant by it makes no sense; my traditionalist view calls for there not to be a ton of dragons, my love of them (and as you can see, my own login screen!) calls for a ton of dragons coz they're just awesome

    anyhoo back to the topic!

    As for the Lunus/Helian being 'just' a faction or being schools... I'm mixed in this view now. I used to argue that Lunus should be pushed towards melee and Helian towards spellcaster (whilst being able to still spec the opposite as you wish). I think I mainly used to argue that is because my Pev is an odd mix of views; she is a Lunus who believes very much in taking a firm claw on any decisions and she certainly believes she is 'better' than a biped... but she has a huge fondness of Saris and certainly is very friendly with all other bipeds. She isn't a spellcaster though, unless she really needs to use them, hence I stayed away from Helian. That said, she also loves to craft. So I think over time, by playing her this way I've actually come to think of the factions as 'just' factions, rather than being a school, so the specialist melee/spellcaster school idea kind of appeals to me. Perhaps make it so you can still choose to be 'just a dragon' and not specialise in either, a jack of all trades who can do everything but nothing quite as well as a specialist.
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  5. #85

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    hatchlings are the middle ground to be both melee and spell caster but you miss out on buffs and flying a nda few other skills

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    Default Re: Should dragons have deferent adventure schools?

    so we should decide what way would fit best to the dragon playership

    multiclassing like the bipeds
    or get 1 school (which cannot be changed)
    or stay 1 school dragonadventurer with additional lvls/quests

    btw can anyone explain me why dragons get with the blight patch +1tc and +1primal per lvl? i haven´t felt underpowered ^^

  7. #87

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    It to bring them more in line with other base classes. Compared to other base classes they were getting less skill points per level in there primary skills is how I understand it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlisson View Post

    btw can anyone explain me why dragons get with the blight patch +1tc and +1primal per lvl? i haven´t felt underpowered ^^
    LO explained it in a other post:

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    It's really more that a lot of things which have been under discussion or been being worked on for a long time are finally coming together at the same time. There are more changes to come, too - many we hope that you'll like, others we expect that you won't. In the end, though, our goal is to make dragons more fun to play, and having fun while adventuring is part of that.

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    Thanks for the responces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zexoin View Post
    I'm sorry, but no. If you want to be a melee dragon, you choose Lunus. If you want to be a Spelcaster dragon, you choose Helian. There is absolutely no problem with that, at least on Chaos. Could be a little more tricky on Order, where the faction choice is also important RP-wise.
    Not really true. Plenty of us PRE-DATE some of the changes or abilities later added. This means I chose a faction and I did so based on the political views of myself, how I played my character when interacting with fellow players, and how that fit the lore. I did RoP as soon as it was added, discovering as I went. I did not have pre-knowledge of the small bonuses we were going to get upon completion. Let alone months later the Elemental breaths being added, which were tied to faction. Nor years after that, that Helian spells were still slow casting and limited, not even close as effective as melee, yet with ARoP you get Fangs of Fury which can really turn the tide in tough fights. Did you even know that Gold Rage, and it's quests were added in after RoP? Yet here we still sit, no equivalent for a spellcaster.

    Prestige schools, one for warrior style, one for mage style, need to be added for dragons. Buffs granted from RoP and ARoP need to be made passive to all. Even the small RoP bonus (+20 BASE primal) is nice, because it means less tp's needed in Primal to cast spells. It's fairly small and if this was left as is to satisfy the generalized lore stating "helians tend to be more scholarly", I'm fine with that. However everything since I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pevil2000 View Post
    On my part it's not so much that I think people would abandon their characters, or new players would only ever choose dragons, but more that I think dragons shouldn't be quite as plentiful as they are. Not complaining; I love seeing dragons around it's just that in general, dragons are few and far between and fairly solitary creatures, so I guess my general view on them is that they shouldn't be something everyone has. That probably doesn't make a lot of sense but shush
    I believe this approach was tried with Star Wars Galaxy concerning the Jedi, in that they tried to make them rare, and it proved more than a little disastrous.

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    The NGE screwed up SWG more then their Jedi system. I agreed with it (Jedi system prior to NGE), especially during the timeline... there were almost no jedi. People always complain, now there are thousands of jedi running around and the game is pointless.

    However, this point is moot, as Horizons doesn't have the playerbase to alienate the few people who actually play.

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    Default Re: Should dragons have deferent adventure schools?

    I believe this approach was tried with Star Wars Galaxy concerning the Jedi, in that they tried to make them rare, and it proved more than a little disastrous.
    This is a no brainer: you develop a game with nothing "special" that will keep people on your product forever. Except _1_ feature. 70% of the player base love that _1_ unique feature.

    SWG approach: nerf that _1_ feature worth 70% of your player base.

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    Vahrokh, then they tried the reverse... Post-CU you can be a jedi as a basic choice. So you could have a universe full of Jedi.

    So first it was insanely tedious to become one, then they made it hard and tedious, then they nerfed the crap out of it and then they devalued it. Pretty much got every option there, except for the one they were originally intending to reach. Heheh.
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