Crafting made slightly easier?

[Schwarz]

To hop from craft school to craft school you have to go and talk to the crafting teacher, wouldn't be easier for everyone to just have a button somewhere that lets you switch to another craft school that you got? it could also help leveling up!
It'd also be less time consuming (since you don't have to travel)

[hallucin8]

Yes it would, but it would also mean that a biped could level miner/gatherer making the basic resources bars/spools and then switch to another school and make the final products tools/pouches/armor/etc. Pretty sure that's not what the devs have in mind I'd still very much like it, even if they could put a timer on it so you could only switch once every half-hour or something like this (and still be able to switch whenever you want by using a trainer). Alas, I believe it has been suggested more than once before and unfortunately it has not yet happened.

[Machaeon]

Yes it would, but it would also mean that a biped could level miner/gatherer making the basic resources bars/spools and then switch to another school and make the final products tools/pouches/armor/etc. Pretty sure that's not what the devs have in mind I'd still very much like it, even if they could put a timer on it so you could only switch once every half-hour or something like this (and still be able to switch whenever you want by using a trainer). Alas, I believe it has been suggested more than once before and unfortunately it has not yet happened.

But.... isn't that EXACTLY what's done already? Process raw materials in miner/gatherer then use them in the relevant craft schools? I mean that's exactly what I did when leveling up my biped. What purpose is there to grinding out 50000 metal bars for miner if you have no reason to use them? All this would cut out is recalling/porting and talking to the trainer then porting back to where your resources are.

[Racktor]

I think hallucin's point is that an easier switching ability wasn't so much that crafting bars in another school is not done right now, but moreso that it would make crafting, dare I say it, "too easy".

Frankly I don't see the point in running back to the trainers over and over again. I've never played a ped far, but I can get behind the idea. The only thought that comes to my mind is what happens to your disk if your craft level/rating no longer is sufficient? Does it just get unequipped like armor? Or does it stay attached for one reason or another? That could be exploited if it's the latter, though I doubt it.

Hallucin, mind explaining a bit more clearly? I'm understanding that what "wasn't what the devs intended" is the thought of just swapping at a machine and instantly crafting the next thing, but I could be misunderstanding you.

[Kida]

This suggestion is fantastic, and would cut out a lot of tedium from the game, that's for sure. There's literally no point to forcing a player to run all the way to a trainer to switch crafting schools, when they already know the skills needed to craft on the go. Hell, if we could just cut out the requirement to be in a certain school to level certain skills in general (looking at you, basic dragon crafting VS lairshaping, god the amount of experience I could have had from smelting all those bronze bars), that would be even better. But I understand the need to swap schools for biped leveling, at least.

[Vergial]

This. All of my this. Every part of my this.

Seriously, anything that reduces the grind (or the time-disrespect) is A-okay with me. Being able to swap schools on the fly would be AMAZING.

[Machaeon]

The only thought that comes to my mind is what happens to your disk if your craft level/rating no longer is sufficient? Does it just get unequipped like armor? Or does it stay attached for one reason or another? That could be exploited if it's the latter, though I doubt it.

Just tested this, it is unequipped like armor. So assuming you had a FULL cargo disk, you would get overburdened.

[hallucin8]

Just tested this, it is unequipped like armor. So assuming you had a FULL cargo disk, you would get overburdened.

Haha, that would so funny in the field... "HELP I'm overburdened, can someone pretty please come out with an empty cargo disk while I trade 50 times with you to transfer my disk's contents" (that's of course assuming you can't just switch back immediately).

To quote myself "I'd still very much like it". I'm in no way personally against the idea, I was just trying to point out that it has come up before and while I don't recall a specific dev response, it hasn't been implemented yet so it might be fair to assume that they do not wish to do so (who knows, maybe they've changed their opinions on this topic?).

You're certainly right Mach, I did just that too, but I had silos to store such a large number of resources. As such, I think this suggestion would slightly benefit players without plots more than those with plots, primarily the new players; so again, I am all for it. I personally see no downsides to this suggestion being implemented

It's a bit off-topic but something I do recall being mentioned is a "risk vs reward" mentality. The risk in adventuring is of course the killing of mobs, however, there is very little risk in crafting. Any "risk" relating to mobs is typically rewarded with more motherlode nodes, but besides that, there really is none. So in order to include barriers/time-sync related to crafting, having to talk to a trainer to switch schools is an obvious option. And before we go down the path, this suggestion is really only appropriate for Crafting schools, I wouldn't personally support such a change to Adventure schools (flicking between DPS/Tank/Healer would be far too easy and seriously unbalance the game).

[Azath]

EDIT:Oh boy i'm bad at constructing arguements...ahaha.

A better idea might be, make all the schools primary skill, but make it so that, say for spellcrafter, that crafting spells' EXP to always just go to spellcrafter, regardless of the school the player is in, with the only exception being scholar: if you are in scholar, spell exp goes to scholar (unless they make scholar center only on getting exp from making scrolls). Tailor/Outfitter would work the same way. This actually makes sense for processing skills, and would fit well with making all schools primary skill. And would negate the need to change schools so often.

This is how I envision the scenario would work: Make sure you've joined miner and fitter schools already, current school doesn't matter, go out and mine ore, make bars with the exp automatically going to miner, then make sheets automatically getting fitter exp, apply to a building and automatically get mega more fitter exp. Run back out to mine more ore, rinse repeat, and no school changing even required. If all classes go primary skill, miner would be the only school that would get exp from making bars anyway. But might have to leave DRCA in as well though since they can't join miner. A nice solution to that would be to allow Dragons to join Miner. (And Gatherer too). Can give those prestige schools pre-reqs (only for Dragons) for joining of needing 200 mining for Miner, 200 essence harvesting for Gatherer, which Dragons would have to level up to in DRCA first, before they could join them. Or I guess just 20 DRCA which might be easier.

While i disagree with primary skill system applied to all schools as a whole - especially with so many grey areas in ped schools, i could see this as....the nicest way to implement it. Still not one i'd like, but it'd be the least painful way to implement such a system imo since no running and no middle man (or middle-click!) in between it all.

It'd be kinda nice to get a similar sort of system for the schools as it is. As in exactly the same, only no primary skill system LOL. Though only if such was optional and we could chose whether to have exp from one thing go into a specific school or not. (Stops issues with leveling min/gath too much, especially concerning salvaging skill. which granted, can be limited anyway, i think it'd still be better to not need the tool to limit it in the first place if we don't want to.)

What if... you could switch in the field (using an ability each school granted)... but as a side-effect, every school was converted to the primary skill system.

A lot level schools by processing t5+ basic materials (ie. ore into bars) and storing them until the school is high enough to use said materials, as a way to alleviate the grind (at the cost of needing to store materials or waste them.)
If we went to the primary skill system for -all- schools frankly i'd lose my will to level much of my biped craft since it would make my fave schools so much grindier (alc, construction, even outfitter/scholar would be a chore since i tend to grind mithril and marble until 80 for em respectively.)
Or to sum it up...please don't. xD

I could definitely get behind an "academy" building on plots, if all it had was a guy similar to the one on the Isles of Battle that can swap all your schools, that would be fantastic.

I also like the alternate there... Quested ability for each school that lets you pick from the list of schools you've done the quest for.

Now this is something i'd like 8D
I'd make an academy need a lot to build - or maybe even high teir material - and/or have a high price on academy npc permits. Since I'm getting the vibe they should be limited for whatever reason.

As for quested abiltity - YES.
Craft quests for all biped schools finally what more can i say/shot. Though, i actually don't know how to moderate that idea in a way that still works.

[Smaug]

Maybe add a NPC instructor to the vault, even the small vault. I don't have room for another structure on my plot lol. Unless they want to add to my plot, theres a wide strip of dirt area in back could easily be used .

How about granting the ability to switch to any school any time (crafting of course) once you've gained GMC status. Or even better not having to switch at all, all schools active once you reached GMC. I asked once before about a big gain in gathering (no more 1, 3, 8, 2, 12, 2, 2, 10, etc) for GMC but that went nowhere so not holding breath here either.


Not going to weigh in on whether should or should not go to a primary skill system as wouldn't really affect me one way or the other.

[Shazo]

The only problem on switching the schools amidst crafting is that some NPC's are just way too split in the world, and sometimes you even have to go running from the pad for a long run to switch, which is the only thing that bothers me.

I suggest that instead of a button (which I actualy don't mind getting, but would be too easy), to place all of the school NPC's or just one for ADV and one for CRT in one spot so you can just tp and switch and continue back your work, lets say for example, at genevia portals. Its accesible by everyone, has portals everywhere, and can go there, switch and go back to work. It would still make you a slower grind, BUT, slightly faster and accesible.

[Azath]

How about granting the ability to switch to any school any time (crafting of course) once you've gained GMC status. Or even better not having to switch at all, all schools active once you reached GMC.

You only need to switch craft schools when leveling so there's no point really.

[meepsa]

full support on this, only make it so that you can only do it with schools that you've already "learned" (obviously)

[Anzha]

For me personally, I understand that if I'm gathering essence orbs as an enchanter to level it up, and then I fill my vault with essence orbs, I need to switch to spellcrafter or scholar if I want to make spells out of them and get XP. I don't really see a problem with this, I think the intention here is less to 'merge' crafting schools but more to just relieve tedious running about.

For me, the annoyance isn't so much that I have to leave the 'resource gathering area' and change schools, but more that I have to do a lot of tiresome portalling about.

For example, levelling miner on cobalt bars in Falathien.
Fill up public building with bars, recall or run to portal. Portal to someplace with a fitter trainer, find said trainer, learn fitting. Teleport back to Falathien. Run back out to spot. Use up bars. Recall or run to portal. Portal to someplace with a miner trainer, find said trainer, switch back. Portal back to Falathien. Run back out to spot to carry on. This just seems unnecessary. What makes it further annoying is that the more times you zone, the closer the client comes to crashing, at least for me. Depending on your bind point this process could take 7, 8 teleports.

What if you could build a building on your plot or guild plot that was, I don't know, something like 'academy', from which you could click and access/change to any class you learned? Could pertain to adventuring as well. This would at save at least some time from the running about and would require a time investment to build such a building and have it be available. You could even add an 'instructor' npc that you'd have to buy a permit for to create a cash sink for it.

This would reduce the above scenario to -
Mine and make bars, recall to guild or house plot, change class, run back out there. Make things, recall to guild or house plot, change class, run back out there. This doesn't eliminate the running completely but certainly makes it less hassle. Also gives us something new to build.

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Alternative Suggestion -

When reaching some level in a school, say ..50? You could do a quest given by the trainer to grant the ability to switch to and from that school from the schools panel rather than running to the trainer every time.

[Machaeon]

I could definitely get behind an "academy" building on plots, if all it had was a guy similar to the one on the Isles of Battle that can swap all your schools, that would be fantastic.

I also like the alternate there... Quested ability for each school that lets you pick from the list of schools you've done the quest for.

[hallucin8]

I could definitely get behind an "academy" building on plots, if all it had was a guy similar to the one on the Isles of Battle that can swap all your schools, that would be fantastic.

I also like the alternate there... Quested ability for each school that lets you pick from the list of schools you've done the quest for.

There used to be a buildable "Trade Hall" many moons ago. It didn't have all the craft trainers, just the basic ones I think. Sure would be nice if the highest tier craft shops included trainers