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    Default Remove Dragon only Requirements from Ally's

    Yes, I am asking that Bipeds be allowed to use Wyvern ally's that currently only allow Dragon Usage. Now a Dragon is not limited to just the wyvern ally class. They have full access to all ally pets. So Why are there requirements for Dragon only ally pets? Please remove this block, and allow Bipeds to choose the ally that they want. Even if there are those that do not want the wyverns, there are some that do. Since Dragons have no limit on which pet they can choose, a Biped should not either.

    Otherwise, you need to find a way to stop Dragon's from using biped only pets. You can decide which way is easiest. I know... some are going to argue about this post.. but it matters not, as it is only about not playing favorites here. This post is for the dev's to read and debate on. I will not comment on any other posts by players who wish to argue this issue.

    Personally, I like the healing wyvern, but I would also like to be able to collect all the ally's at some point and have them usable. I think would be nice to have a dragon pet to follow me around. They look nice, and they do provide nice enhancements. So I do not see any reason why they can not be usable by all

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    A biped should not be pulling around a dragon as a "pet". so a big hell no from me. None of the biped pets are one of the living races...

    If you want the stats and effects in a pet that isn't a dragon, I think that is fine. Otherwise, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guaran View Post
    A biped should not be pulling around a dragon as a "pet". so a big hell no from me. None of the biped pets are one of the living races...

    If you want the stats and effects in a pet that isn't a dragon, I think that is fine. Otherwise, no.
    Not to bring in a technicallity, but the wyvern allies are not dragons. The lore isn't in officially, but wyverns (once they get their new model in it will be a lot more clear) are not intelligent in the same way as dragons are, the best way to describe them in terms of intelligence and behaviour is hyper-agressive dolphins.

    That being said, the main reason the wyvern allies are dragon only is simply because it would be weird to give a gnome the ability to have dragon breaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liseth View Post
    Not to bring in a technicallity, but the wyvern allies are not dragons. The lore isn't in officially, but wyverns (once they get their new model in it will be a lot more clear) are not intelligent in the same way as dragons are, the best way to describe them in terms of intelligence and behaviour is hyper-agressive dolphins.

    That being said, the main reason the wyvern allies are dragon only is simply because it would be weird to give a gnome the ability to have dragon breaths.

    • Wyverns are often depicted as having the tail of a viper-a venomous snake-and that fact is reflected in the etymology of wyvern: it comes ultimately from the Latin word vipera, which means "viper." ("Vipera" is also, of course, the source of our word viper.) The creature the wyvern most closely resembles, however, is the also-mythical dragon. "Dragon" is a much older word-it has been in use since the 13th century, while "wyvern" dates to the early 17th-but it too has snakes in its history. The word originally referred not to the lizard-like creature we imagine today but to a huge serpent.
    • That being said. I don't think it would be weird for any race to have a tamed wyvern. I know this isn't Game of Thrones type game.. but most lore dictates wizards and such controlled the beasts. (or even created them) It isn't wrong to let them think that they have captured and tamed a Wyvern for protection.


    It is not that of the gnome having the ability to cast a dragon breath, but that of his now tamed, or captive protector
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malicore View Post
    wy·vern
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    • a winged two-legged dragon with a barbed tail.

      That being said. I don't think it would be weird for any race to have a tamed wyvern. I know this isn't Game of Thrones type game.. but most lore dictates wizards and such controlled the beasts. (or even created them) It isn't wrong to let them think that they have captured and tamed a Wyvern for protection.


    It is not that of the gnome having the ability to cast a dragon breath, but that of his now tamed, or captive protector
    Actually, no, the mechanic is that the wyvern's bestow the ability upon the dragons. If it was the wyverns themselves doing it it would be done in the way of a passive AoE that the player has no control over like the Surtheim Ally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liseth View Post
    Actually, no, the mechanic is that the wyvern's bestow the ability upon the dragons. If it was the wyverns themselves doing it it would be done in the way of a passive AoE that the player has no control over like the Surtheim Ally.
    The mechanics allow the user to control when the wyvern is activated. not actually the user being the caster of the breath. more like feeding a dolphin and having him do a trick for it. Yes because of the mechanics it can be confusing. but you are using the wrong side of the mechanics for your own reasoning. It is no different than the other races being used in teh same fashion, since you could argue that a dwarf can't use magic but you give him a pet that bestows magic for him to attack an enemy.. now there is no difference. or the poison effect, the list goes on. Lets not use the mechanics side of the game as influence here.

    Otherwise you have to take into consideration the reverse and remove access to all other ally pets for dragons. I don't think they want that anymore than I do

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    Default Re: Remove Dragon only Requirements from Ally's

    Quote Originally Posted by Liseth View Post
    Actually, no, the mechanic is that the wyvern's bestow the ability upon the dragons. If it was the wyverns themselves doing it it would be done in the way of a passive AoE that the player has no control over like the Surtheim Ally.

    Surtheim ally also grants an ability, namely Magma Bomb to bipeds, although at a ridiculous cost of 5 t5 recharge cells.
    Meanwhile dragons got an easy 5k hoard :l
    And the recharge cells weigh so much, so if your inventory is plenty full due to armor and weapons and whatnot, you can barely carry say 40, so about 8 attacks with it...
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