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*throws a biiiig snowball at Joaqim*

*scuttles away*

yes, enough is enough.

Stop it, everyone.

And pleeeeease do not start the 'But he started it' 'No he started it' 'No, he started it, I'm only reacting'- thing'.

Everyone involved, lets stop...

That doesn't sound like you, Takora :(

Well,

who is going to have the last word in this dicussion? Anyone willing to take bets?

For that is what this has deteriorated to, a turn-taking of people who cannot let it lie...

enough....

My head hurts....

could we stop this now? Nevermind who is wrong or right, could this just pleeeeeease stop?

Enough. is. enough.

I think to fully estimate what silence in this situation means would take a lawyer. (I'm not joking). I realise the psychological impact, that it doesn't look trustworthy (like a witness to a crime...

But... but...

Wouldn't you agree that there is proof that GN is seriously at fault in its dealings with the Unity playerbase?

I don't refer to the patch-question (we all agree that we do not...

I think you have put your finger on it, Jayne.

There seems to be no way that Unity players can bring pressure to bear on GN. If they stay they encourage them to leave things as they are, if they...

Just for the record -- I do not think it was a matter of courage. In fact, it took almost all of my courage and capacity for hope to stay with Unity as long as I did. I moved because I finally was...

Maybe this is just a misunderstadning, then: For the way I understand Seranthor, he just wants it established that there is no proof of TULGAs guilt -- he does not know if they're at fault or not.
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And there is no proof that it is TULGAs fault that GN did not receive the patches. Wait a minute: There is not even proof that GN did not receive any patches.

I'll state it again in the hope that...

Well, actually I know of a whole lot of problems that only one party single-handedly caused. For example the conflict about unanswered support tickets on Unity was NOT partly caused by the players (=...

That is something that I don't grasp yet. Why can it not be only GNs fault?:confused:

My 'accusation' was an inquiry. The fact that I entertained that suspicion at all should tell you something about your credibility rating.

If you want to establish credibility, change your...

If you cannot comment, then don't -- do not drop hints. And leave out the winking and the sarcasm. For example if you cannot comment on the dealings between TULGA and GN then don't drop hints about...

Thank you for that clarification, Drev.

I'd like to add someting:

Most EU players are not lawyers. And they are not familiar with the many differences in the legal systems involved. They base...

Well, I can give you a simple explanation why it can happen that there is no differentiation between what 'Luca' says and what 'GN' says on the GN forum -- you are seen as the only remaining GN...

Interesting -- after re-checking those posts on GN forums (did I miss something) I find in the posts under your name only hints that you would like to receive all those nice new patches (which...

You demand proof. And you have none either. Everything is speculation. You look for proof that your idea about things is right. That's only human/dwarven/elvish I think. But your idea about the whole...

I think most of the players on the NA shard do not blame Unity players for wanting to keep what they worked hard to build, let alone their great community. See how many of the US players adopted the...

Very well. We have different ideas about what TULGA and GN are doing -- and neither one of us has any definite information, just hearsay and speculation.

What I wanted you to see is that your way...

That letter could also be read as an offer -- a hand extended to someone who is on a sinking ship. Have you thought of that? Thats what it can be.

Now if that someone loves his ship and refuses...

After Bismarck -- it became common knowledge. Every ruler who feared dissatisfaction within the ranks went out looking for an outgroup enemy to blame. A certain little paper hanger as well, granted.

If TULGA is not legally required to supply patches, why did they supply them at all?

If, however, they are required to supply them, why has mudslinger Luca never in any of his posts suggested that...

I was suprised about the TULGA post -- not necessarily about the offer, but about the way it was made. I can understand why to Unity players that gives the impression of client-leeching, even if it...