Invisible login poll

[Justa Mirage]

We know that there is a hot topic debate over invisible logins being used to get an upper advantage in certain battle situations. There have been pros and cons about the merits of this "game feature" so let's take a vote!

[Dhalin]

Should be modified, IMO.

The way it should be:

Once you login, you are invisible and cannot obtain aggro, but yet the first time you do -anything- other than sending chat messages, or /tells, you become fully visible. This includes healing/buffing spells, movement, and recall.


We cannot put a time limit on it, because as anyone knows, some older computers can take 5+ minutes to boot the game fully, and nothing sucks worse than to die before you're ready. I've seen that in other games and it just isn't fun.

[Shur]

i dont see any problem with it now except that it ignores casting/using abilities. why it does this, i have no clue, but it's the only thing that needs to be changed.

[Dhalin]

Addendum to what I said above:

Maybe we could make it you remain invisible if, and only if, said abilities/buffs were used on Yourself Only? The first time you use Anything on Anyone Else, mob or player, you become visible? This allows you to re-buff before making your presence known after a disconnect, but doesn't allow you to main-heal a party with no penalties....

[Peaches]

Whoops, I voted the wrong answer. *sighs*

[Alladania]

I guess I feel that if you logged out in a bad place, or involuntarily logged out in a bad place and you don't think your buddies are there for back up, do the login with recall mode.

[Dhalin]

And have to spend the 5-10 minutes to travel back to where you were?

No thanks.

Sometimes, as a dragon, it can take quite a few minutes to fly to some places, I'd hate to see what it is like for a biped who can't fly, heh. I imagine it must be even worse.

[Trust]

I don't think you should get an indefinate grace period for being invisible. I voted to change it.

[Vermithraxx]

E.) I want confirmation from a Dev that this CAN be modified before voting on the poll.

[velveeta]

lol its just a poll, verm!!!

i agree with dhalin in everything so far. vice-g o d of blight ruf still uses dialup and is prone to disconnect in the most awkward of situations. i think it is entirely fair to have the invis on connect for yourself. you should be able to cast buffs and such on yourself before facing a gauntlet. and no time limit - ruffy can take quite a long time to get into the game, and a time limit or aggro on move would be a big pain when he is just trying to get into the game. and if they aggro on move, he would be attacked and possibly written in the ded book before he could recall. you should at least be able to recall without being attacked on entering the game.

however, you should not be able to use the invis thing to cast buffs or healing on a party unfairly. i may be a leech, but i never attacked or buffed another character to do it.

of course, i was never high enough level to do so, but that is beside the point....

anyway, that is my thoughts. yes to invis on connect and able to cast/recall on yourself, no to using it as an exploit in battle.

[Kala]

I think it should be removed entirely. Why? Two reasons:

1. If you log out in an unsafe place, that's YOUR problem. If you crash out in an unsafe place, well...you don't have to worry about corpse runs, losing gear, losing exp, or getting your gear damaged. You only have to worry about running back. In my opinion, it's a completely unnecessary feature.

2a. If it's left as-is, people can still do things I'm pretty certain are considered exploits by the devs and not just by the players.

2b. If it gets modified, either by time or by activity, it can still be abused. Time runs out? Relog. Or just sit there doing nothing while waiting for a mob to spawn.

And Verm? I'm not 100% certain, but my understanding was that this was a feature added to the game after release. I may be mistaken though.

[Royal]

1 minute timer and any action send to server changes it.
(yes, even opening vault)

[C`gan]

Doesn't affect me. I see the people in the channels and they see me. Usually about the time I say my last "Hello there" I'm on the run to be doing stuff.

[Dhalin]

1 minute timer and any action send to server changes it.
(yes, even opening vault)

One Minute?

Eh... from the time it says "Entering Istaria..." it is at least two minutes before I can move, or do much of anything, and then when I log on, I've got like 5-10FPS for at least 15 seconds while everything loads.

If we went by your suggestion, I'd be dead long before I could react.

[gopher65]

I'd say 5 minutes or first action would be my choice. How could anyone exploit that?

[Vahrokh]

One Minute?

Eh... from the time it says "Entering Istaria..." it is at least two minutes before I can move, or do much of anything, and then when I log on, I've got like 5-10FPS for at least 15 seconds while everything loads.

If we went by your suggestion, I'd be dead long before I could react.

He says one minute AND then you have to perform actions. If you are still loading, even if it takes 2 days, you are not performing actions.

[Silverblaze]

I voted a while ago to change it. I think it a good idea, but I think even if a person types it should be null and void. Anything to say you arent afk and are loaded.

If changing it none of these ways is possible, just take it out. Dying sucks, but, its better than all this controversy.

[Vengeance]

I think it should be removed entirely. Why? Two reasons:

1. If you log out in an unsafe place, that's YOUR problem. If you crash out in an unsafe place, well...you don't have to worry about corpse runs, losing gear, losing exp, or getting your gear damaged. You only have to worry about running back. In my opinion, it's a completely unnecessary feature.

2a. If it's left as-is, people can still do things I'm pretty certain are considered exploits by the devs and not just by the players.

2b. If it gets modified, either by time or by activity, it can still be abused. Time runs out? Relog. Or just sit there doing nothing while waiting for a mob to spawn.

And Verm? I'm not 100% certain, but my understanding was that this was a feature added to the game after release. I may be mistaken though.

I agree with you 100%.

[Ashuran]

I concur with the idea that it should be modified to any action causes the invisibility to be negated.

It should be easy enough to fix it so any action causes the invisibility to drop. That'll keep people from standing around and healing their friends or buffing without consequences.

A timer wouldn't work for me, though. For whatever reason I usually take 5 minutes or more to load the game, and I crash OFTEN (usually multiple times during loading, too). Removing it entirely would probably mean I will always have 3-5 death points, if not more.

[gopher65]

A timer wouldn't work for me, though. For whatever reason I usually take 5 minutes or more to load the game, and I crash OFTEN (usually multiple times during loading, too). Removing it entirely would probably mean I will always have 3-5 death points, if not more.

This sound like a sound card issue. Have you tried disabling it from your Control Panel? It worked wonders for me.