Velocity Potions

[Snowdonia Honeythorn]

I've suggested this before but that was on the Tazoon boards. New boards, new attempt at suggestion. :D

I've always thought that Alchemists should be able to make these potions for our dragon friends. Dragons get no speed (or velocity) increasing spells whatsoever and bipeds do. Both bipeds and dragons have the use of potions so while bipeds are getting an added boost to their already buffed speed, dragons are only getting a boost. But this isn't just about what bipeds have versus what Dragons don't, it is also about the fact that Alchemists can make potions that boost every other stat in the game. Velocity is a stat that came much later after release and I firmly believe that because of this lateness it was not concidered for a new potion.

So I'd like to see a velocity potion produced by Alchemists for Dragons. Now why would a biped be able to make a Dragon usuable only item you ask? Simple, how long have bipeds and Dragons been working together against the WA? Over a year of our time but that year has encompassed probably 3+ years of game time not to mention the time before the game came out (lore). I would think that at some point this would be something pioneering researchers would discover.

Velocity Potions stat boost
Stat boost would match that of Quint's speed potions per tier (+2, +4, +6, +8, etc)

Velocity Potion resource requirements
Again would match that of the Quint's speed potion except the tree sap would be replaced by Dexterity Wing Scales. This would make a dependence of player on player which is something this game should be focused on anyways and this potion would only do good in promoting that.

[Blue Hasia]

Very good Idea, would love to see that in the future.

[Jaraiden]

Gah!

Yet another way for dragon players to rely on bipeds?

Certainly dragons would have a way to increase their own flight speed.

Yes, dragons could use speed and velocity buffs, but this is not the manner.

Now why would a biped be able to make a Dragon usuable only item you ask? Simple, how long have bipeds and Dragons been working together against the WA? Over a year of our time but that year has encompassed probably 3+ years of game time not to mention the time before the game came out (lore). I would think that at some point this would be something pioneering researchers would discover.

A bit off topic rambling here - there is too much dependence by dragon players upon the capabilities of biped schools. Very little that dragons add to the playing experience of bipeds (nothing except for aerial scout).

I'd rather see the dragons add to their spell lines of buffs or gifts besides that one.

[PJ]

Viewing everything in terms of race is a very limiting way of viewing things.

I prefer this way, if such potions were added, dragons would be dependent on alchemists for a new additional bonus (not something you had before) that you were completly free to use or not use.

You know who else has a dependency on alchemists for potions? Armorers, Blacksmiths, Carpenters, Confectioners, Enchanters, Fitters, Fletchers, Gatherers, Jewelers, Masons, Miners, Outfitters, Scholars, Spellcrafters, Tailors, Tinkerers, Weaponsmiths, Weavers, Battlemages, Beserkers, Bloodmages, Chaos Warriors, Clerics, Conjurers, Crossbowmen, Druids, Elemental Archers, Flame Disciples, Guardians, Healers, Ice Disciples, Knights of Creation, Mages, Monks, Paladins, Rangers, Reavers, Scouts, Shamans, Sorcerors, Spearmen, Spirit Disciples, Spiritists, Storm Disciples, Warriors, and last of all Wizards.

You may not like it but you as a dragon will never be able to make everything that they you can use. I suggest you make your peace with that. Look on the bright side of the suggestion, if you wish to continue to view things from a race perspective: this will be the first dependency a biped has on a dragon (well dependency that isn't bug induced).

[Jaraiden]

Look at your signature PJ and other post on silos . . . . alchemist. In time, and with desire, a character can make his/her own potions so your long list of classes is meaningless.

Once they complete the dragon race and bring back the knowledge dragons developed for their own kind, especially on the Lunus side (remember Istarian lore, granted it is way secondary, but some like to use it). When done, then dragons will have their own velocity buffs and can look toward the other Living Races for a boost.

:: shrugs :: really doesn't matter. Bring in velocity potions and hopefully with supply and demand they will be reasonably priced (or some kind of barter). Then all will be happy. What I'm saying is, is there there is little that dragons can do for "our biped friends" . . . that is an aspect of the first post, aiding each other, correct?

[Snowdonia Honeythorn]

this will be the first dependency a biped has on a dragon (well dependency that isn't bug induced).

Exactly. This isn't a one way dependency in the case of Velocity Potions. In order for said biped Alchemist to make the Velocity Potion they must employ the abilities of good Dragon crafters for the scales. Alchemists on the whole work out deals for their potions. You make me this part of the potion and I'll give you a portion of the potions I make. So Dragon making the scales goes away happy and with a reward for their work done, Alchemist goes away happy with their lot of potions to place on the Chiconis and Dralk Consigners, and all Dragons of the levels of usage go away happy when they are able to purchase and use said potions to make their flying experience that much faster and more enjoyable.

Unlike the other dependencies you speak of this one is a two way street with each player being just as dependent on the other. If Dragons had the Alchemy skill to make their own potions then I would gladly have suggested it for dragon creation but they don't. I'm also a help others kind of person so I don't see this as a "dependency" on the whole but more of a "help me to help you" sort of thing.

[Aquarius]

Alchemists already makes all the potions in game,trying to separate dragons as a whole from ever communicating with or needing anything from the other races would seem pretty stupid, why isolate some people yes there is only people behind the screens, unless your an alien of course, but then you would alreadybe dependingupon another race to provide you with entertainment, so there you go ;-)

[Dranar]

I would love to see Velocity potions... I support Naka interaction and all completely and rather like the idea.

I'd also like to see a "Gift of Velocity"...

I mean, as it stands right now, if I get a Gift of speed, since I have matching speed and Velocity wing scales... I am actually faster on a road running then I am flying.

With a good Gift of speed, and a Quint's potion, well you are going to see one fast moving dragon galomping along at... Well it's 99 without any buffs, so lets say, 115 (two +8 SPeed extras) on the roads... Well, that would be nice, b ut I might get motion sickness. :)

~Allon

[Guaran]

Alchemists already makes all the potions in game,trying to separate dragons as a whole from ever communicating with or needing anything from the other races would seem pretty stupid, why isolate some people yes there is only people behind the screens, unless your an alien of course, but then you would alreadybe dependingupon another race to provide you with entertainment, so there you go ;-)

I have to agree, let the alchemists make the potions. We dragons do or do not have to use them. What do you mean make the scales? I know not much of alchemy, but I am guessing that dragon wing scales would become a needed comp in making the potion? Only sucky part is that they do not stack.

What are comps needed to make quints quickstep potions?

And yes, Gift of Velocity, asked for that one ages ago pre-merger. I don't even care if it's augmentation skill spell (that bipeds would have to cast on us) even though it seems out of place. But since gift of health is Life skill, Velocity could be primal skill.

If dragons were to make potions, then they would have to use ingenuity skill. Nothing else makes sense. But we (dragons) are more generalized crafters, whereas alchemy seems like a specialty. Leave that to the specialists. [I'd be happy when dragons become specialists in Scalecrafting, but no we only get 7 skill per level]

Guaran

[PJ]

I thought it was 7 skill for gathering, and 8 skill for processing/manufacturing, before quests are considered.

[Snowdonia Honeythorn]

What are comps needed to make quints quickstep potions?

For Quint's Quickstep potions you need <tree> Sap and yes they stack. But in order for this potion to work it needs something that only Dragons can provide and that is scales. I kinda see the potion working like a Quint's but see it being crafted like a gathering potion. Picks, Essence Siphons, Tree Axes, and Harvest Knives also don't stack so Velocity potions would be more similar to them for this component in so far as creation goes.

[Jaraiden]

Okay, I misread the first post. Sorry about that Snowdonia.

Now for the aspect the dragons (and only dragons) can provide. Let's look at lore a bit.

their enormous wings provide balance and some control in the air, but the motive force itself seems to be based more on the harnessing of external, mystical energies.

Perhaps some sort of Essence of Primal or something that reflects these energies?

The closest aspect could be something from the necroflies (wings, perhaps 10 of them),a new drop from Ghost Dragons (inert dragon wings), or add NPC dragons in game (other living dragons, but creates significant lore issues, so nope). Since neither of the first two fly, a dragon would need to imbibe them with primal energies (akin to the Cure Zygmosis spell). Dragons using their 10/level Ingenuity and X to create a non-stackable component (infused wings) for the potion (just needing some sort of essence suspension andvial like the other potions).

Edit: Dexterity Wing Scales provide nothing for flight, it is only dragon jewelry that a dragon can equip.

[Guaran]

You might be right PJ. I forget exact numbers per level. The mastery quests helped alot. Think of it as 9 per level when factoring those in, if it's 8 per level base. Still, seems like it should be 10 overall total.

Guaran

[Guaran]

Okay, I misread the first post. Sorry about that Snowdonia.

Now for the aspect the dragons (and only dragons) can provide. Let's look at lore a bit.
their enormous wings provide balance and some control in the air, but the motive force itself seems to be based more on the harnessing of external, mystical energies.Perhaps some sort of Essence of Primal or something that reflects these energies?

The closest aspect could be something from the necroflies (wings, perhaps 10 of them),a new drop from Ghost Dragons (inert dragon wings), or add NPC dragons in game (other living dragons, but creates significant lore issues, so nope). Since neither of the first two fly, a dragon would need to imbibe them with primal energies (akin to the Cure Zygmosis spell). Dragons using their 10/level Ingenuity and X to create a non-stackable component (infused wings) for the potion (just needing some sort of essence suspension andvial like the other potions).

Edit: Dexterity Wing Scales provide nothing for flight, it is only dragon jewelry that a dragon can equip.

When I aksed what ingredients go in the quints quickstep, I was wondering if something likeboots are part of the formula. It doesn't make sense for dragon wing scales to bepart of the formula since the only potions like that are gathering potions. The closestcomparison to existing potion creation is the quints quickstep. A similiarbatch of ingredients (which doesn't includedragon scales) should be used. The "Mystical Forces" which are what help us fly, well that sounds like something right up an Alchemists alley.

So IMHO it doesn't need to bea dragon that can craft it, neither does it need dragon scales or a dragon crafted item. Use Quints quickstep as a baseline for ideas as to what ingredients would make sense. Necrofly wings don't make any sense because necroflys fly slowly. Besides a tech comp should not be a potion ingredient. No other potions use tech comps (that I know of).

It's a great idea, but probably ages away from happening

Guaran

[Snowdonia Honeythorn]

Okay, I misread the first post. Sorry about that Snowdonia.

Now for the aspect the dragons (and only dragons) can provide. Let's look at lore a bit.
their enormous wings provide balance and some control in the air, but the motive force itself seems to be based more on the harnessing of external, mystical energies.Perhaps some sort of Essence of Primal or something that reflects these energies?

The closest aspect could be something from the necroflies (wings, perhaps 10 of them),a new drop from Ghost Dragons (inert dragon wings), or add NPC dragons in game (other living dragons, but creates significant lore issues, so nope). Since neither of the first two fly, a dragon would need to imbibe them with primal energies (akin to the Cure Zygmosis spell). Dragons using their 10/level Ingenuity and X to create a non-stackable component (infused wings) for the potion (just needing some sort of essence suspension andvial like the other potions).

Edit: Dexterity Wing Scales provide nothing for flight, it is only dragon jewelry that a dragon can equip.

Yes, I know that Jaraiden but it is a simple potion needing simple ingredients. There really is no sense in making Velocity potions so much harder to obtain than any other potion. No other potion needs loot drops to create, just simple resources and/or unstackable tools, these should be no different. Since a Dragon only item was needed (scales) and wing scales are the only scales with the capability of being techniqued with Veloctiy I found them perfect for my proposal. It could have been a Strength, Focus, Power, Armor, or Health scale but since scales follow the same creation skill pattern as Jewelry I felt a lower/midrange skill wing scale would be best. Add with that Dexterity being the skill associated with deftness I chose Dexterity Wing Scales for my proposal.

Never thought I'd have to explain the inner workings of my mind when I concocted this proposal. lol I'm a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) believer and therefore, for my proposal, I did. :)

[Jaraiden]

Picks mine/quarry, tree saws log, and are needed in crafting gathering potions. Wing scale jewelry don't aid in or allow flight.

Either way, would be nice for dragons to get some augmentative or primal boost to velocity. Since AE and now TulgAE have not provided such (nor communicated their intention to), it seems to fall to the alchemist trade . . . . akin to a speed potion. After all, just something to boost a statistic (velocity).

As for a speed or velocity potion - gathered tree sap is usedfor a speed potion - so it makes little sense for crafted dragon jewelry to be a component for dragon velocity.Per your logic, boots (armor) shouldbe needed for Speed potions as bootscan be techniqued with Speed. I maintain, for consistency with flight velocity, that an aspect of wings would be needed - necrofly wings, ghost dragon wings, or perhaps a "wing" drop from a new creature. Just because Speed potions need gathered tree sap doesn't mean Velocity potions should suffer from an odd component, lack of logic, or other convoluted thinking by TulgAE.

Since dragons would best know about these mystical forces,dragons should have a large factor into any velocitydevelopment. Wouldn't it be nice that dragons can actually learn from their centuries of existance (pre other Living Races), working with the other Living Races (Helian side, not necessarily sharing dragon secrets),and evolving in the new magics due to the Tazoon blast (and other impacts humans and other races have made upon the dragons)?

Some flight-type item +a processing step from adult dragons (primal infusion) and poof, a component for Velocity potions. Simple also. Also, avoids the oddity of hatchlings making dragon scale jewelry for something to increase the velocity of adult dragons.

Edit: Flight-type item? Ahh, a new dragon scalecrafter formula, perhaps a mixture of metal bars and essence orbs or something like the Tinkerer cell. :: laughs :: maybe a primal version of an engine.

[Snowdonia Honeythorn]

Man I left this thing high and dry huh? Well, here is my response finally. :P

<Tree> Sap doesn't make a lot of sense to be used for a Speed potion yet it is. I mean people don't think slippery, fast, or speedy when you think on tree sap. Yet this is the resource used for Quint's Quickstep potions.

So you see, I'm not trying to make it make sense in technical terms only in practical terms (just as Quint's does). Again, KISS.

[LaughingOtter]

Flight-type item? Ahh, a new dragon scalecrafter formula, perhaps a mixture of metal bars and essence orbs or something like the Tinkerer cell. :: laughs :: maybe a primal version of an engine.

Fireworks! [:D]

[Valornyx]

Personally I don't see the problem with Alchies making potions for Velocity .. I have no problem "relying" on them for metal reapers or any other pot I want to use.

Yes - the fact that bipeds can all choose to level alchie and make pots is true .. but in practice there are so many crafting schools that almost none (yes there are exceptions) learn them all.

If there is a real issue with using dex scales in the pot (not that I really care what you choose) - then why not make some kind of essence enchantment that only dragons can use .. so you get essence orbs and enchant them using a dragon-only form to make dragon essence orbs (or some better name).

Anyhow - was reading another post somewhere about how fast it is possible for bipeds (fully tricked out) to run - and it came in at over 200 .. bring on the velocity pots :)