Plan to limit multiclassing

[refuse]

This may be a rumor, I just want to confirm/deny it.

I have started the IRC client, and had it on for the last couple of days so I can see what is said on IRC while I am at work.

But I heard a rumor that there was going to be a limit for multi-classing put in, or was suggested.

Any information/denial/confirmation of this.

[Khoal]

Rumor only, and a nasty one at that. If there were plans in the works for such a move, it wouldn't be limited to IRC chat only, but would also have a post in the Announcements section.

Something as game-changing as this couldn't possibly slip by without a post in Announcements.

[bandishier]

At one time there was a rumor that you were only going to be able to take one adventure class and one crafting class to 120.

I recall that David Bowman addressed this and said that their was not going to be a limit on multiclassing. You would be able to take all your classes to 120

[Varangaard]

I would take such rumors with a huuuuge serving of salt. Of course it could be possible that they are planning to rebalance the classes at some point. But you can be sure they'll have a complete plan at their hands before they announce anything, even less hint about it or throw around "veiled threats" on IRC.

[Foxfire]

You don't think they'd just stealth nerf this one? [;)] [:P]

They'd dang well better blight such changes to death, and evangelize the heck out of it, if they think there's some hay to be made in this field. If they're gonna take away one aspect of the game (m/c), they'd better be making it up big time on the other side (limited super-class).

[refuse]

Thanks for the feedback.

I can rest easy now, and tell the person spreading the rumors to stop.

Just got worried there.

I can understand the >100 level changes, and many other.

Thanks for answering.

[oluviel]

if every class in the game had the solo power of a dragon the game would be better in my opinion nerf the hell out of em

[Hal`cyon Sskyler]

if every class in the game had the solo power of a dragon the game would be better in my opinion nerf the hell out of em

Knew someone'd say it. Multiclassing is one aspect that has made Horizons more interesting and enjoyable.

Don't like it, roll a biped or tough cookies; having that much freedom and not feeling like 100 is "the end" for bipedal schools keeps players here.

[PJ]

if every class in the game had the solo power of a dragon the game would be better in my opinion nerf the hell out of em

Dragons Stack up fine versus any class. Do they get shorted in respect to multiclassing? Yeah. But 100 Dragon vs. 100 Biped Class is pretty close and a dragon has a substantial advantage in some of those match ups.

[Pharcellus]

[img]/Web/Themes/Generic/images/icon-quote.gif[/img]oluviel wrote:if every class in the game had the solo power of a dragon the game would be better in my opinion nerf the hell out of em

Dragons Stack up fine versus any class. Do they get shorted in respect to multiclassing? Yeah. But 100 Dragon vs. 100 Biped Class is pretty close and a dragon has a substantial advantage in some of those match ups.

Your opinion, thank you. [:)]

[imported_Ssilmath]

Not just an opinion Malt...I have personally seen dragons solo things that single classed bipeds ten levels higher cannot...dragons aren't the gimps you all make them out to be, especially not compared to single classed bipeds...

Does multiclassing leave dragons behind a bit...Yes
Should dragons have options for matching multiclassing...Yes
Are dragons underpowered...Not one bit

[Pharcellus]

Not just an opinion Malt...I have personally seen dragons solo things that single classed bipeds ten levels higher cannot...dragons aren't the gimps you all make them out to be, especially not compared to single classed bipeds...

Does multiclassing leave dragons behind a bit...Yes
Should dragons have options for matching multiclassing...Yes
Are dragons underpowered...Not one bit

"I've seen Dragons do blah and blah and blah that solo bipeds can't".

I have yet to see one thing I have done that a solo SINGLE-classed biped can't do, except maybe Monks/Disciples. Hell, my Single-classed (effectively) Healer still can do things I can do. Might take him longer, but he can do it.

[imported_Ssilmath]

You want a specific example? Alright...as an 86 Paladin/26 Druid, I tried to fight a mithril golem, level 91...I got torn apart in short order...it wasn't till I got druid to 56 and pally to about 90 before I could effectively fight mithril gollies...Not cause I am a bad fighter and don't know what I am doing, but cause the golems were just a bit too powrful...not too long ago, I watched a 75 dragon, Helian I believe, attack a 98 and tear it to shreds...

Specific enough for you? Maybe you just don't know how to play dragon properly and that is why you think you are so weak...<Shrugs> Point is, your experiences being one thing don't make you 100% right and the end all and be all for dragon knowlege...maybe those of us who have seen dragons doing amazing things aren't full of crap...But who knows, maybe the sky is really green and those of us who see it as blue are wrong as well...

[PJ]

I have yet to see one thing I have done that a solo SINGLE-classed biped can't do, except maybe Monks/Disciples. Hell, my Single-classed (effectively) Healer still can do things I can do. Might take him longer, but he can do it.

There's an interesting subtlety here. Its the race versus race perspective again. Or rather the biped races versus dragons. Yes there are single classed bipeds that can do the things you do. One class might better or equal you in area A, but you'll be better in areas B and C and approximately equivalent in areas D and E.

A biped has the potential do dosomethings equally or better than a dragon. But once he takes a single class, there will be areas where your dragon is better, equivalent or worse.

Compare Dragon Adventurer versus a single biped school not the sum total of all biped schools.

Comparing the melee damage of a dragon versus that a Beserker or a Reaver or a Warrior, and the dragon is bound to lose. But your dragon can out buff, out regen, out self heal (excluding reaver), out spellcast those classes.

Compare the healing power of a dragon versus that of a Healer or Cleric. Dragon loses again. But the dragon is a better melee fighter and spell caster.

Dragons are generalists, not specialists. Purely from the direction of a 1 classvs 1 dragon perspective (highly theoretical i know) dragons balance out.

[imported_Zayin]

please a dragon cannot compare to a multi biped Which is what i think we are really talking about.if not we should be they deserve the same as us. i think the class limit on a dragon should be at least 150 if the biped cap is 120

[Tryagain]

[img]/Web/Themes/Generic/images/icon-quote.gif[/img]Pharcellus wrote:
I have yet to see one thing I have done that a solo SINGLE-classed biped can't do, except maybe Monks/Disciples. Hell, my Single-classed (effectively) Healer still can do things I can do. Might take him longer, but he can do it.



There's an interesting subtlety here. Its the race versus race perspective again. Or rather the biped races versus dragons. Yes there are single classed bipeds that can do the things you do. One class might better or equal you in area A, but you'll be better in areas B and C and approximately equivalent in areas D and E.

A biped has the potential do dosomethings equally or better than a dragon. But once he takes a single class, there will be areas where your dragon is better, equivalent or worse.

Compare Dragon Adventurer versus a single biped school not the sum total of all biped schools.
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Problem is there is no such thing as a single classed biped and hasen't been since before merge. Trying to balance dragons against a well multiclassed biped is impossible and that Dragon will never ever match up. It just simply isn't possible. Heck even a warrior healer combo alone can outdo a Dragon easily.

I of course could have mis understood your point here.

Had AE kept dragons as classes like they had in beta these dragon biped multiclass debates would never be happening. But then again that would have made super dragons huh ?

[PJ]

If you read the thread. The originalcontention was that the Dragon Adventurer class wasm in respect to the other classes, weak or underpowered etc. The discussioninherently involved only single class comparisons.

Is the comparison unrealistic in thisdayand age? But nevertheless it is useful. Did Dragons get shafted on multiclassing? I've said it before and I'll say it again, yes. But the solution, in my opinion, is not to continually buff up the single class that is Dragon Adventurer with no additional effort required on their part. Nor is the solution to scrap, or radically reengineer the multiclassing system.

[Tryagain]

yes a radical re egineering of multiclassing at this stage of the game will not go over well.

But at the same time Dragons need some buffing because quite frankly Adults are a joke. It could be something as little as adding to their abilities, making hoardable items easily attainable, increasing their armor. Questable abilities that give them extra power as well. But then the bipeds will want the same quests since such quests are non existant in game say for Dragons.

I think their best line of approach is to simply buff up the Adults. Make Ancients rare and very difficult to achieve. So that means playing an adult needs to be something more than it is now.

Anyway yeah... multiclassing is firmly entrenched here. If they wanted to take a subtle approach then say restricting to 3 classes max or something. But I wouldn't worry about it they aren't going to change it now.

[Vlisson]

I watched a 75 dragon, Helian I believe, attack a 98 and tear it to shreds...

hmm maybe the helian has been a crafter lvl 100? or used hoard? but no "normal" Dragon kills a lvl 98 golem such easy! im lvl 100/100 and i get real kicked, have to use all abilities (spiked scales/refresh breeze) or else i get kicked like a sheep

@ontopic again
i would like to see no limitation of the existing multiclass system, the idea of 1 class adventurer and 1 class crafter up to 120 would be interesting but then to many whiners would flame this board

so i would like to see strong and unique epic classes. This epic classes should be limited in multiclass but should get great class specific powers for example Healer Epic

but i think that all plans about this thing are gone, maybe in 6 month we will get the lvl cap raised?

2 month till Arop, 4 Month till Lairs, 6 Month till lvl 120?

[Khoal]

WTF, people?! The original point of this thread was to address whether a rumor was true or not. The rumor is not true. We've established that. End of story.

A single post has just thrown this thread way off topic.