Shard Assembly Log January 26th (25th...)
((OH DEAR GRACE: as you will see from the log below, it is the 26th where I live...
...but that only explains, not excuses my monsterous screwup in not noticing the correct date for the meeting should have been the 26th, Thursday US EASTERN TIME...
...RL me screwed up. I even thought the meeting should be on the 25th. Just flat misread theAgenda thread.Please blame not Yuusuke, he knew not. But *I*...
...fair game for what ridicule falls. My regrets for the mistake and particular apologies to Frith-Rae and C`gan who likely are planning that the meeting is "tomorrow".))
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[01/26/06 10:55:22] [Community: Yuusuke] <bows>
[01/26/06 11:00:23] [Community: Yuusuke] might someone be so kind as to pass word in Marketplace as to the Community meeting. It is nearly ((9 Eastern)) now, yes?
[01/26/06 11:01:29] [Community: Carinde] *takes a seat*
[01/26/06 11:01:43] [Community: Glimmers] *hovers over Carinde's head*
[01/26/06 11:02:28] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles to one and all present>
[01/26/06 11:03:26] [Community: Yuusuke] Mistress Carinde is up on the moderators list this week... but I am told there is some issue with ((the connection)), yes?
[01/26/06 11:04:22] [Community: Carinde] (Unfortunately, I don't know how stable it is. I can still assist, but I may drop unexpectedly.)
[01/26/06 11:04:49] [Community: ShadowWyrm] hiya all
[01/26/06 11:04:50] [Community: Yuusuke] would you prefer to defer to a substitite for tonight?
[01/26/06 11:05:25] [Community: Carinde] Please.
[01/26/06 11:05:38] [Community: Yuusuke] Might I take that turn for you, Carinde?
[01/26/06 11:06:07] [Community: Carinde] I'd be honored.
[01/26/06 11:06:15] [Community: Yuusuke] as would I. thank you.
[01/26/06 11:06:43] [Community: Yuusuke] well then... if I read the time right, it is at or about the ((9pm Eastern)) start time, yes?
[01/26/06 11:06:58] [Community: Kwinn] 2106
[01/26/06 11:07:27] [Community: Yuusuke] very well then. Welcome one and all to the Order Assembly meeting for the 25th.
[01/26/06 11:07:31] [Community: Glimmers] yesh, its 9:08 yuuyuu
[01/26/06 11:07:49] [Community: Yuusuke] I am your substitute moderator.
[01/26/06 11:07:57] [Community: Yuusuke] A few brief notes:
[01/26/06 11:08:40] [Community: Yuusuke] if you wish to speak on any matter, feel free but first raise a hand. paw, et al, to get my attention so I might yield the floor...
[01/26/06 11:09:09] [Community: Yuusuke] ...when you are finished please note you are finished so the floor is open for the enxt speaker.
[01/26/06 11:09:53] [Community: Yuusuke] When votes are possible, it takes *3* voices from the assmbly to get discussion closed...
[01/26/06 11:10:03] [Community: Yuusuke] ..then and only then do we vote...
[01/26/06 11:10:32] [Community: Yuusuke] ...and the votes are counted as ((1 account, 1 vote)) so if you have more than one, please note it when you vote...
[01/26/06 11:10:47] [Community: Yuusuke] for a vote to be binding, we need a total of 40 votes..
[01/26/06 11:11:10] [Community: Yuusuke] ..that includes "yea", "nay" and "abstain"...
[01/26/06 11:11:21] [Community: Glimmers] only 21 people total in the room at the moment....
[01/26/06 11:11:43] [Community: Yuusuke] ...while the result of the vote, if we reach 40, is yea vs nay only.
[01/26/06 11:12:02] [Community: Yuusuke] <points Glimmers to please go gather up more of our fine community>
[01/26/06 11:12:23] [Community: ShadowWyrm] i trying to sorry
[01/26/06 11:12:30] [Community: Glimmers] *salut* yes sir!
[01/26/06 11:12:37] [Community: Yuusuke] right then. on to business. thank you all for trying your best.
[01/26/06 11:12:43] [Community: Yuusuke] Reports:
[01/26/06 11:13:15] [Community: Yuusuke] we start with World Projects. might C`gan or a representative be present?
[01/26/06 11:13:30] [Community: Heather] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 11:13:37] [Community: Yuusuke] yes Heather?
[01/26/06 11:13:59] [Community: Heather] The only thing that I can tell you currently, is that the mine shaft in aug is completed as well as the ironsilk machine
[01/26/06 11:14:35] [Community: Yuusuke] ah very good. Might others know of work in progress?
[01/26/06 11:14:35] [Community: Heather] *end*
[01/26/06 11:14:53] [Community: Malicore] anything on yewn mineshaft?
[01/26/06 11:14:54] [Community: Heather] nay, had I realized cgan wasnt going to be here, I cuold have gone and checked out the progress
[01/26/06 11:15:10] [Community: Heather] archebold has been wokring on the one but cant remember which
[01/26/06 11:15:43] [Community: Yuusuke] I can only point us all to the World Projects listing on the forums...
[01/26/06 11:15:48] [Community: Heather] sorry I couldnt be of more assistance
[01/26/06 11:16:19] [Community: Yuusuke] ...and with that, my thanks and let us hope for more news next time... perhaps also of Dragon WorldProjects then too.
[01/26/06 11:16:37] [Community: Yuusuke] next up:
[01/26/06 11:16:48] [Community: Yuusuke] New Player Support:
[01/26/06 11:17:11] [Community: Kwinn] *waves a fresh [<!--LI 7659313 10395787>Travertine Golem Fragment<!--/LI>]*
[01/26/06 11:17:26] [Community: Yuusuke] <looks to candidate Kwinn> might we have some general information, a Sslimath has resigned for now?
[01/26/06 11:17:34] [Community: Yuusuke] *a=as
[01/26/06 11:17:46] [Community: Kwinn] dunno about Ssil
[01/26/06 11:18:12] [Community: Yuusuke] as to the channel then, and the New Tris connie?
[01/26/06 11:18:26] [Community: Kwinn] I chked NT connie a few minutes ago its jammed up but does have some shortagres
[01/26/06 11:18:37] [Community: Kwinn] specifically...
[01/26/06 11:18:46] [Community: Kwinn] dragons scales...
[01/26/06 11:19:02] [Community: Kwinn] jewelry 1 one there and it was blihted
[01/26/06 11:19:05] [Community: Ashuran] *raises a talon*
[01/26/06 11:19:07] [Community: Carinde] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 11:19:10] [Community: Kwinn] containers
[01/26/06 11:19:29] [Community: Yuusuke] Ashuran then Carinde after Kwinn rests
[01/26/06 11:19:38] [Community: Kwinn] and lastly crystals I saw many but they were all rpiced 1-3 silver each
[01/26/06 11:20:03] [Community: Ashuran] What tiers of scales are needed and how should they be priced?
[01/26/06 11:20:16] [Community: Kwinn] other than that all is quiet on the Western Front or ever what direction it is and so am I
[01/26/06 11:20:47] [Community: Ashuran] Ahh sorry, One is a bit unfamiliar with these meetings...
[01/26/06 11:20:58] [Community: Ashuran] What tiers of scales are needed and how should they be priced
[01/26/06 11:21:02] [Community: Yuusuke] no worries... I can answer that.
[01/26/06 11:21:05] [Community: Goofy] *raises tiny hand to ask a question about helping*
[01/26/06 11:21:32] [Community: Yuusuke] the tier stocked is only tier 1... and the price is as you chose, but many thing 3x pawnie is fair for new players.
[01/26/06 11:21:47] [Community: Rayk] *raises a hand
[01/26/06 11:21:58] [Community: Ashuran] All right, that is all. *lowers talon, after using it to scratch with*
[01/26/06 11:22:04] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Goofy, then Rayk, to speak after Carinde>
[01/26/06 11:22:10] [Community: Yuusuke] Mistress Carinde?
[01/26/06 11:22:20] [Community: Carinde] Thank you all.
[01/26/06 11:22:37] [Community: Macen] *raises a [<!--LI 9841626 10555507>Blighted Festival Treant Left Arm<!--/LI>] and waits for his turn*
[01/26/06 11:22:47] [Community: Carinde] In regards to the New Player Assistance, is this merely items, or assistance with other matters, such as combat tactics and crafting advice?
[01/26/06 11:23:17] [Community: Yuusuke] <defers to Kwinn on this one> Such is more than is required, bit...
[01/26/06 11:24:07] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Macen to speak after Goofy and Rayk>
[01/26/06 11:24:40] [Community: Glimmers] *ahem* yuuyuu, kwinn is...missing <<
[01/26/06 11:25:00] [Community: Carinde] I was curious because I used to be a trainer for a former guild of mine.
[01/26/06 11:25:01] [Community: Yuusuke] I would say any such would be great, Carinde. Please send Kwinn a tell on this. <nods to Glimmers>
[01/26/06 11:25:01] [Community: Heather] he is here
[01/26/06 11:25:02] [Community: Kwinn] no I am not missing
[01/26/06 11:25:04] [Community: Glimmers] dont see him in the list of people present, but i didnt see him log off...
[01/26/06 11:25:32] [Community: Glimmers] *blink* my eyes are getting bad ><
[01/26/06 11:25:33] [Community: Carinde] Not to say that I am any expert on all things related to fighting, but I'd be more than happy than to give whatever knowledge I can to any newly gifted we have.
[01/26/06 11:26:09] [Community: Carinde] I'll do that Yuusuke. *lowers hand*
[01/26/06 11:26:14] [Community: Glimmers] Cari? an expert in combat? pssh, silly *goes back to hovering over Cari's head*
[01/26/06 11:26:36] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> thank you. Goofy, please
[01/26/06 11:26:46] [Community: Rolynd] *raises his hand*
[01/26/06 11:27:20] [Community: ShadowWyrm] what city is everyone at?
[01/26/06 11:27:36] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Rolynd to speak after Rayk and Macen>
[01/26/06 11:28:05] [Community: Goofy] thank ye Yuusuke... me question is fairly simple me hopes... being relatively newly gifted, i would like some guidance on how to assist the new playerers
[01/26/06 11:28:53] [Community: Yuusuke] The best answer is to join the New Players channel and assist as the questions and requests come in there.
[01/26/06 11:29:09] [Community: Kwinn] -agrees-
[01/26/06 11:29:28] [Community: Yuusuke] the current candidate for New Player leader is there full time <points to Kwinn>
[01/26/06 11:29:30] [Community: Glimmers] dont be afrade to ask them yourself, any knowladge we can pass on is more knowladge out there to BE passed on
[01/26/06 11:29:40] [Community: ShadowWyrm] *rasies paw*
[01/26/06 11:29:48] Nyxxell has logged in.
[01/26/06 11:29:55] [Community: Yuusuke] <chides Glimmers gently about order>
[01/26/06 11:30:29] [Community: Glimmers] *gasps and sits quietly huvering over carinde* sorry ^^;;
[01/26/06 11:30:30] [Community: Yuusuke] <ShadowWyrm to speak after Rayke Macen and Roylynd>
[01/26/06 11:30:33] [Community: Goofy] I shall do that... thank ye for the help, and hope it wasn't a question out of line
[01/26/06 11:30:45] [Community: Yuusuke] no very fine. thank you.
[01/26/06 11:31:07] [Community: Yuusuke] Rayk? your question or comment?
[01/26/06 11:31:18] [Community: Rayk] My suggestion for NT connie would be to have the guilds take turns in stocking
[01/26/06 11:31:43] [Community: Rayk] say inbetween communitie meetings 1 2 weeks each
[01/26/06 11:32:03] [Community: Rayk] then all stocking should be covered
[01/26/06 11:32:08] [Community: Kwinn] *rummages for something to wavew wildly*
[01/26/06 11:32:32] [Community: Yuusuke] Kwinn, your reply sir?
[01/26/06 11:32:51] [Community: Rayk] a second point after the fllor
[01/26/06 11:32:59] [Community: Rayk] *floor
[01/26/06 11:33:29] [Community: Kwinn] I disagree. I whole concept of helping is voluntary. If we try to force help then sooner or later, more likely sooner, we WILL create animosity
[01/26/06 11:33:51] [Community: Heather] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 11:34:12] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods> noted. but thank you both for the opinion. Rayk, you had further?
[01/26/06 11:34:24] [Community: Kwinn] plus some guilds may not be able to help or even want to help
[01/26/06 11:34:53] [Community: Rayk] yes, NT is known for newbies, level 30+ in less there in a guild have major problems
[01/26/06 11:35:03] [Community: Rayk] 20-30 I should say
[01/26/06 11:35:09] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Heather tho speak after Macen, Roylynd, and shadowWyrm>
[01/26/06 11:35:09] [Community: Kwinn] I'm finished *hands back the floor with a groan*
[01/26/06 11:35:28] [Community: Rayk] we could use a specific connie to stock for them two
[01/26/06 11:35:34] [Community: Rayk] thats it
[01/26/06 11:35:56] [Community: Yuusuke] Alas, Rayk, such is beyond what the New Player group is chartered to do...
[01/26/06 11:36:10] [Community: Rayk] understood )
[01/26/06 11:36:14] [Community: Malicore] that's what MP chat is for
[01/26/06 11:36:49] [Community: Yuusuke] ...but you could try to arrange such an effort on your own, via Marketplace. <chides Malicore politely now>
[01/26/06 11:37:05] [Community: Frossa] ::bow to community takes seat and listens::
[01/26/06 11:37:06] [Community: Yuusuke] was there more Rayk?
[01/26/06 11:37:17] [Community: Malicore] wasn't being rude, just stating
[01/26/06 11:37:49] [Community: Rayk] Id actually say thet MP is mostly misuesed my our higher players
[01/26/06 11:38:01] [Community: Rayk] thats it thks
[01/26/06 11:38:05] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you
[01/26/06 11:38:12] [Community: Yuusuke] Macen, please
[01/26/06 11:38:18] [Community: Macen] just wanted to say that i can craft most t1 stuff and always here to help anyone i can and will do me best to stock the nt a bit more but may need reminding from time to time :)
[01/26/06 11:38:45] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you kindly. Please check in chat channel then to let folks know as you do so.
[01/26/06 11:39:02] [Community: Macen] *stops waving the [<!--LI 9841626 10555507>Blighted Festival Treant Left Arm<!--/LI>]*
[01/26/06 11:39:09] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles>
[01/26/06 11:39:17] [Community: Macen] thank you for your time *bows*
[01/26/06 11:39:28] [Community: Yuusuke] Roylynd please
[01/26/06 11:39:43] [Community: Yuusuke] *Rolynd
[01/26/06 11:39:54] [Community: Rolynd] *nods to the community* thank you for your time in advance
[01/26/06 11:41:21] [Community: Rolynd] Are we discussing the manner in which to assist new players?
[01/26/06 11:41:35] [Community: Yuusuke] <ShadowWyrm, then Heather to speak next>
[01/26/06 11:41:58] [Community: Rolynd] I'm afraid I have lost the main topic
[01/26/06 11:42:01] [Community: Yuusuke] in a matter. we have a system, but are reporting progress right now. not exactly suggestion time, really.
[01/26/06 11:42:25] [Community: Yuusuke] if you wish to volunteer, this is the place though.
[01/26/06 11:42:40] [Community: Rolynd] Again...pardon my ignorance, but...ahh, I see
[01/26/06 11:42:54] [Community: Rolynd] We are volunteering our assistance?
[01/26/06 11:43:02] [Community: Yuusuke] If you can, yes please.
[01/26/06 11:43:34] [Community: Rolynd] Then I would be more than happy to lend whatever skills I posses
[01/26/06 11:43:42] [Community: Carinde] *raises hand, realizing it will be awhile*
[01/26/06 11:43:58] [Community: Rolynd] That is all
[01/26/06 11:44:02] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. please see to Master Kwinn or join into the New Player channel to help there. thnak you.
[01/26/06 11:44:14] [Community: Yuusuke] ShadowWyrm, please.
[01/26/06 11:44:22] [Community: ShadowWyrm] hello all
[01/26/06 11:44:27] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Heather then Carinde to speak next>
[01/26/06 11:44:42] [Community: ShadowWyrm] and ty yuusuke
[01/26/06 11:45:24] [Community: ShadowWyrm] ummmm really the only thing i wanted to do is introduce myself as i am returning from a long slumber
[01/26/06 11:45:58] [Community: ShadowWyrm] and to let you know that if there is ever a draggy in need please just send me a tell
[01/26/06 11:46:07] [Community: ShadowWyrm] that is all ty for the floor
[01/26/06 11:46:08] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> welcome back. others will learn of your experiences and you will relearn life here. thnak you.
[01/26/06 11:46:20] [Community: Yuusuke] Heather, please
[01/26/06 11:46:39] [Community: Nyxxell] Welcome back
[01/26/06 11:46:54] [Community: Yuusuke] <chides Nyxx this time>
[01/26/06 11:47:06] [Community: Heather] ok, so very sorry, but, I have to say I agree with kwinn on the guild issues of two week stocking, I think the system is working fine as it is currently* end, thank youand sorry again
[01/26/06 11:47:24] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. agreement noted.
[01/26/06 11:47:32] [Community: Yuusuke] Carinde, please.
[01/26/06 11:48:10] [Community: Nyxxell] <holds hand over hre mouth>
[01/26/06 11:48:43] [Community: Mystif] *raises paw and patiently waits*
[01/26/06 11:49:19] [Community: Carinde] I do apologize for yet another interruption, and I believe I've already found my solution. I spoke with Kwinn and have volunteered my services in the ways of fighting. I'll assist those on developing tactics for their chosen adventuring professions. I'm merely letting you all know my intent.
[01/26/06 11:49:35] [Community: Carinde] *lowers hand*
[01/26/06 11:49:48] [Community: Yuusuke] very good. We all look forward to what can be done with that. thank you.
[01/26/06 11:49:54] [Community: Yuusuke] Mystif, please.
[01/26/06 11:50:24] [Community: Mystif] I always try to watch MP and if someone is looking for a weapon, cargo gear, container, weapon, tool, etc. I will send them a tell and help them with that
[01/26/06 11:50:39] [Community: Mystif] and I do not charge new people for those services
[01/26/06 11:51:08] [Community: Mystif] Sometimes it is hard to watch MP with it having become a community channel -- does that make sense
[01/26/06 11:52:14] [Community: Yuusuke] most generous. thank you, and might I direct you also to the New Player channel then to be more focused on this particular need.
[01/26/06 11:52:14] [Community: Mystif] sorry done
[01/26/06 11:52:29] [Community: Mystif] I will try that thank you
[01/26/06 11:52:32] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> and with that, New Player report is done too.
[01/26/06 11:52:40] [Community: Yuusuke] Secretary report:
[01/26/06 11:53:04] [Community: Yuusuke] The matters of this assembly are currently all posted on the Forums as well as here in meeting...
[01/26/06 11:53:21] [Community: Yuusuke] and Frith-rae is the acting Secretary...
[01/26/06 11:53:32] [Community: Kwinn] *waves a [<!--LI 7659313 10287443>Veteran Abomination Chest Skull<!--/LI>]*
[01/26/06 11:53:56] [Community: Yuusuke] ... please visit the Forums and keep current between meetings. that is all.
[01/26/06 11:54:01] [Community: Yuusuke] Kwinn, please.
[01/26/06 11:55:09] [Community: Kwinn] ((Alas, I am running out ogf gas. It's been a loooong day and I have an 0530 start in the morning. Is it possible to appoint someone as proxy for my votes?))
[01/26/06 11:55:51] [Community: Yuusuke] ((no but state them now please for C'gan on WP, Kwinn on NP, Frith on Sec and I wil count them))
[01/26/06 11:56:50] [Community: Kwinn] (( yea for C`gan and firth, abstain for me. I dont vote for myself. ))
[01/26/06 11:57:17] [Community: Yuusuke] ((noted))
[01/26/06 11:57:26] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you Kwinn. rest well
[01/26/06 11:57:42] [Community: Yuusuke] So then on to Old Business... vote time folks...
[01/26/06 11:57:43] [Community: Kwinn] Thanks. With that I bid you all a good night. Sorry for the early exit
[01/26/06 11:58:20] [Community: Yuusuke] the first item is confirming C`gan as one of the two World Projects leaders....
[01/26/06 11:58:38] [Community: Yuusuke] would any wish to comment, or might I have 3 voices call for a vote?
[01/26/06 11:58:53] [Community: spynki] aye
[01/26/06 11:58:54] [Community: Heather] *vote please*
[01/26/06 11:59:01] [Community: Asteral] Aye!
[01/26/06 11:59:02] [Community: Anasfalis] Second for vote
[01/26/06 11:59:04] [Community: Tigris] What is the vote?
[01/26/06 11:59:08] [Community: Yuusuke] 1 call ((aye?)) 2 calls
[01/26/06 11:59:14] [Community: Ahura] aye
[01/26/06 11:59:24] [Community: Nyxxell] aye
[01/26/06 11:59:29] [Community: Anasfalis] Aye
[01/26/06 11:59:32] [Community: Yuusuke] Comments or call for the vote. DO NOT VOTE
[01/26/06 11:59:32] [Community: Rayk] aye
[01/26/06 11:59:33] [Community: Emera] Aye
[01/26/06 11:59:42] [Community: Yuusuke] <gavel time>
[01/26/06 11:59:43] [Community: spynki] vote please
[01/26/06 11:59:43] [Community: Ironhawke] aye
[01/26/06 11:59:53] [Community: Yuusuke] 3 calls for the vote.
[01/26/06 12:00:07] [Community: Emera] *calls for vote*
[01/26/06 12:00:10] [Community: ShadowWyrm] aye
[01/26/06 12:00:11] [Community: Macen] aye
[01/26/06 12:00:20] [Community: Carinde] *calls as well*
[01/26/06 12:00:24] [Community: spynki] aye
[01/26/06 12:00:27] [Community: Xixelle] aye
[01/26/06 12:00:30] [Community: Glimmers] i would call, but i lost the number ><
[01/26/06 12:00:33] [Community: Yuusuke] now then... Tigris, the vote is to appoint C`gan as a World Projects leader under the Charter of this Assembly.
[01/26/06 12:00:42] [Community: Yuusuke] the discussion is closed now.
[01/26/06 12:01:04] [Community: Yuusuke] did I answer your question, Tigris?
[01/26/06 12:01:12] [Community: Tigris] Yes, thank you.
[01/26/06 12:01:21] [Community: Seirana] hi all
[01/26/06 12:02:04] [Community: Yuusuke] very good. FOLKS: when you vote, please state "yea", "nay", or "abstain" to be counted. If you have more than one account, state the number please...
[01/26/06 12:02:08] [Community: Mystif] thankee
[01/26/06 12:02:10] [Community: Mystif] mt
[01/26/06 12:02:37] [Community: Yuusuke] ...like this: Yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:02:43] [Community: Yuusuke] alright....
[01/26/06 12:02:46] [Community: Macen] yae
[01/26/06 12:02:55] [Community: Yuusuke] please vote now... we need 40 voices.
[01/26/06 12:02:58] [Community: Heather] Yea (5 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:02:59] [Community: Xixelle] Yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:03:01] [Community: Asteral] Aye-2 accounts.
[01/26/06 12:03:04] [Community: spynki] yea(1)
[01/26/06 12:03:05] [Community: Seirana] yea 1 account
[01/26/06 12:03:07] [Community: Glimmers] abstain (1 count)
[01/26/06 12:03:07] [Community: Nyxxell] yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:10] [Community: Menkure] yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:03:11] [Community: Ceinlys] Aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:11] [Community: Yuusuke] yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:03:12] [Community: Ahura] Yea (2 accnts)
[01/26/06 12:03:14] [Community: Rayk] yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:16] [Community: Ironhawke] yea ( one account)
[01/26/06 12:03:16] [Community: Ashuran] Yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:20] [Community: ssylva] yea
[01/26/06 12:03:20] [Community: Decon] Aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:22] [Community: Stelvitan] abstain (2)
[01/26/06 12:03:22] [Community: Zennyo] nay (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:03:23] [Community: Emera] Aye (2 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:03:27] [Community: Goofy] aya (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:30] [Community: ShadowWyrm] yea 1 account
[01/26/06 12:03:39] [Community: Yuusuke] <28 votes in>
[01/26/06 12:03:43] [Community: Kobati] Yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:03:45] [Community: Macen] (yea 1 sorry)
[01/26/06 12:03:47] [Community: Vallikye] Aye (2 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:03:51] [Community: Yuusuke] <32>
[01/26/06 12:03:53] [Community: Boad`icea] nay (3 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:03:58] [Community: Yuusuke] <35>
[01/26/06 12:04:05] [Community: Tigris] abstain (2 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:04:10] [Community: Yuusuke] <37>
[01/26/06 12:04:12] [Community: Mystif] sorry I had to log off briefly - what is the actual item we are voting on?
[01/26/06 12:04:19] [Community: Carinde] yea
[01/26/06 12:04:21] [Community: Skald] abstain (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:04:28] [Community: Yuusuke] C'gan as WP leader#1
[01/26/06 12:04:34] [Community: Anasfalis] yea
[01/26/06 12:04:35] [Community: Rolynd] Aye (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:04:46] [Community: Yuusuke] <40 voices+>
[01/26/06 12:04:50] [Community: Dailin] Yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:04:50] [Community: Levity] Aye (2 accounts, maybe 3, but definitely 2)
[01/26/06 12:05:00] [Community: Yuusuke] <counts 3 for Lev>
[01/26/06 12:05:11] [Community: Yuusuke] going once...
[01/26/06 12:05:13] [Community: Helcat] aye <2>
[01/26/06 12:05:26] [Community: Yuusuke] going twice...
[01/26/06 12:05:28] [Community: Mystif] aye (3 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:05:46] [Community: Yuusuke] ...<gavel time> the vote is closed.
[01/26/06 12:06:39] [Community: Yuusuke] with 40 votes "yea" (coincidentally)...
[01/26/06 12:07:13] [Community: Yuusuke] ...6 abstain, 5 nay...
[01/26/06 12:07:32] [Community: Yuusuke] this matter is closed. thank you all..
[01/26/06 12:07:43] [Community: Yuusuke] Next item up:
[01/26/06 12:08:04] [Community: Yuusuke] Kwinn as New Player Support leader #1...
[01/26/06 12:08:18] [Community: Yuusuke] any comments or can I have 3 calls for a vote?
[01/26/06 12:08:27] [Community: Decon] I call for a vote
[01/26/06 12:08:32] [Community: Yuusuke] 1 call
[01/26/06 12:08:32] [Community: Xixelle] Call for a vote
[01/26/06 12:08:33] [Community: Ahura] calls for vote
[01/26/06 12:08:34] [Community: Emera] Call for vote
[01/26/06 12:08:37] [Community: Yuusuke] 3 close
[01/26/06 12:08:40] [Community: ShadowWyrm] aye
[01/26/06 12:08:45] [Community: Anasfalis] vote
[01/26/06 12:08:49] [Community: Yuusuke] This matter votes the same as above
[01/26/06 12:08:54] [Community: Yuusuke] Vote now please.
[01/26/06 12:08:56] [Community: Emera] Nay (2 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:08:58] [Community: Asteral] NAY (2 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:09:01] [Community: Decon] Aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:01] [Community: Yuusuke] yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:03] [Community: Zennyo] yay (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:04] [Community: Ahura] Nay (2 accnts
[01/26/06 12:09:05] [Community: Kobati] Nay (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:06] [Community: Boad`icea] AYE (3 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:09:07] [Community: Xixelle] Yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:08] [Community: Vallikye] nay 2 accounts
[01/26/06 12:09:08] [Community: Stelvitan] aye (2)
[01/26/06 12:09:11] [Community: Menkure] yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:16] [Community: Nyxxell] yea(1)
[01/26/06 12:09:16] [Community: Rayk] yea (1 Account)
[01/26/06 12:09:19] [Community: Ashuran] abstain (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:19] [Community: Skald] aye (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:22] [Community: Seirana] yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:22] [Community: Goofy] abstain (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:22] [Community: Macen] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:23] [Community: Ceinlys] abstain (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:23] [Community: Anasfalis] abstain (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:26] [Community: Levity] abstain (2 or 3 )
[01/26/06 12:09:28] [Community: Dailin] Nay (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:29] [Community: Frossa] abstain (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:31] [Community: Ironhawke] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:09:36] [Community: spynki] aye ( 1 )
[01/26/06 12:09:39] [Community: Rolynd] NAY (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:09:54] [Community: Yuusuke] <36 voices>
[01/26/06 12:10:20] [Community: Carinde] Yea (1 account, and a comment later if I may.)
[01/26/06 12:10:31] [Community: Yuusuke] <Kwinns abstain counts... 38>
[01/26/06 12:10:33] [Community: Deth] yea
[01/26/06 12:10:44] [Community: Yuusuke] 39 with Deth's 1
[01/26/06 12:11:06] [Community: Lumineux] Yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:11:15] [Community: Yuusuke] <40+>
[01/26/06 12:11:20] [Community: ssylva] Nay
[01/26/06 12:11:25] [Community: Yuusuke] going once...
[01/26/06 12:11:31] [Community: Glimmers] yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:11:35] [Community: Tigris] abstain (2)
[01/26/06 12:11:44] [Community: Yuusuke] going twice...
[01/26/06 12:12:14] [Community: Yuusuke] <gavel time again> the vote is closed.
[01/26/06 12:12:46] [Community: Yuusuke] ...11 nay...
[01/26/06 12:13:23] [Community: Yuusuke] ..21 yea...
[01/26/06 12:13:50] [Community: Yuusuke] correction 12 nay
[01/26/06 12:14:31] [Community: Yuusuke] 10 abstain. thank you all this matter is resolved.
[01/26/06 12:14:33] [Community: ShadowWyrm] yea 1
[01/26/06 12:14:49] [Community: Yuusuke] Next Old Business:
[01/26/06 12:15:14] [Community: Yuusuke] Frith-Rae as Assembly Secretary...
[01/26/06 12:15:33] [Community: Yuusuke] is there any discussion or might I have three calls for a vote?
[01/26/06 12:15:36] [Community: Emera] Call for vote.
[01/26/06 12:15:40] [Community: Yuusuke] 1 call
[01/26/06 12:15:47] [Community: Carinde] Call for vote.
[01/26/06 12:15:50] [Community: Yuusuke] 2 calls
[01/26/06 12:15:54] [Community: spynki] call for vote
[01/26/06 12:16:00] [Community: Anasfalis] vote
[01/26/06 12:16:03] [Community: Yuusuke] 3 calls discussion closed.
[01/26/06 12:16:05] [Community: Frossa] call
[01/26/06 12:16:06] [Community: Emera] Aye (2 account)
[01/26/06 12:16:09] [Community: Yuusuke] Vote now please
[01/26/06 12:16:12] [Community: Xixelle] Yea (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:16:13] [Community: Frossa] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:17] [Community: Kobati] Aye(1)
[01/26/06 12:16:17] [Community: Gerix] Aye (2)
[01/26/06 12:16:18] [Community: Levity] aye (2 or 3)
[01/26/06 12:16:22] [Community: Goofy] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:23] [Community: Asteral] Aye (2)
[01/26/06 12:16:24] [Community: Yuusuke] ((Emera will be counted))
[01/26/06 12:16:25] [Community: Lumineux] Yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:26] [Community: Nyxxell] yea(1)
[01/26/06 12:16:27] [Community: Heather] aye *five*
[01/26/06 12:16:27] [Community: spynki] aye (1()
[01/26/06 12:16:30] [Community: Zennyo] nay (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:16:31] [Community: Ashuran] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:31] [Community: Boad`icea] Nay (3 accounts)
[01/26/06 12:16:31] [Community: ssylva] aye
[01/26/06 12:16:31] [Community: Yuusuke] yea (1 account))
[01/26/06 12:16:32] [Community: Ironhawke] yea (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:33] [Community: Seirana] abstain (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:34] [Community: Ahura] Aye (2)
[01/26/06 12:16:36] [Community: Carinde] Yes (1 account)
[01/26/06 12:16:37] [Community: Deth] aye
[01/26/06 12:16:38] [Community: Levity] (( I keep meaning to cancel the third one and don't remember if I have yet ))
[01/26/06 12:16:38] [Community: Menkure] Aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:48] [Community: Skald] Aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:16:58] [Community: Decon] Aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:17:08] [Community: Anasfalis] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:17:13] [Community: Yuusuke] 38 voices
[01/26/06 12:17:25] [Community: Ceinlys] aye (1)
[01/26/06 12:17:28] [Community: Macen] abstain 1
[01/26/06 12:17:30] [Community: Stelvitan] abstain (2)
[01/26/06 12:17:32] [Community: Yuusuke] 40+
[01/26/06 12:17:37] [Community: Yuusuke] going once...
[01/26/06 12:18:13] [Community: Tigris] abstain (2)
[01/26/06 12:18:24] [Community: Yuusuke] going twice...
[01/26/06 12:18:55] [Community: Rayk] aye 1
[01/26/06 12:19:06] [Community: Yuusuke] <last gavel on a vote today> ...the vote is closed.
[01/26/06 12:19:46] [Community: Yuusuke] 33 yea...
[01/26/06 12:20:06] [Community: Yuusuke] 4 nay...
[01/26/06 12:20:49] [Community: Yuusuke] 6 abstain. thank you all this matter is resolved.
[01/26/06 12:21:01] [Community: Yuusuke] now then... New Business:
[01/26/06 12:21:21] [Community: Yuusuke] Cal for moderators:
[01/26/06 12:21:34] [Community: Yuusuke] we do this moderation job in turns...
[01/26/06 12:21:55] [Community: Yuusuke] would anyone care to be an Assembly meeting moderator, as I am right now?
[01/26/06 12:22:31] [Community: Yuusuke] <will holld this open 1 minute for comment>
[01/26/06 12:22:51] [Community: Eileen] *raises hand for suggestion*
[01/26/06 12:22:58] [Community: Yuusuke] Eileen, please
[01/26/06 12:22:59] [Community: Asteral] *raises a paw* Question about procedure when appropriate.
[01/26/06 12:23:19] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Asteral to speak after Eileen rests>
[01/26/06 12:24:13] [Community: Eileen] *stands* I wonder if rather than keeping a list, we could just ask for the next volunteer at the end of each meeting? People have not been able to keep to the list order so far, this might work more efficiently. *sits*
[01/26/06 12:24:40] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> but... I *am* Carinde... well sort of...
[01/26/06 12:24:57] [Community: Heather] ?
[01/26/06 12:25:18] [Community: Tigris] eh?
[01/26/06 12:25:40] [Community: Yuusuke] Sadly, we are limited for now by the charter system of a list, but thank you Eileen ((Carinde is mod this week but she defered the job))
[01/26/06 12:25:55] [Community: Yuusuke] Asteral, please.
[01/26/06 12:26:06] [Community: Carinde] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 12:26:30] [Community: Yuusuke] <Carinde-the real-one to speak after Asteral>
[01/26/06 12:27:05] [Community: Asteral] The vote for the new player assistance team. I assume won and Kwinn was voted in?
[01/26/06 12:27:47] [Community: Yuusuke] I am reporting that it carried 21to 12 with 10 abstaining... that should carry unless the Forum votes sway it.
[01/26/06 12:28:14] [Community: Yuusuke] does that answer your question, Asteral?
[01/26/06 12:28:36] [Community: Asteral] Well according to what i took from the shard charter, one must have the majority of infavor votes. So unless the abstains are inccoreectly counted as "infavor" the vote would be negitive.
[01/26/06 12:28:54] [Community: ShadowWyrm] stupid platinum boulder golems kicking my butt
[01/26/06 12:28:57] [Community: Asteral] as a 21 yeah 22 nay/abstain
[01/26/06 12:29:03] [Community: ShadowWyrm] oops sorry wrong room
[01/26/06 12:29:16] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> the yea vs nay count decides... but the total must be 40+ including abstains to be binding...
[01/26/06 12:29:43] [Community: Yuusuke] ..but a very good question. Does my answer help clear that up now?
[01/26/06 12:29:45] [Community: Asteral] AH yes but that does not represent the majority.
[01/26/06 12:29:58] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods> correct. a plurality only.
[01/26/06 12:31:05] [Community: Emera] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 12:31:11] [Community: Asteral] I cannot say i do not like half of our votes not being counted.
[01/26/06 12:31:52] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods again> I understand your concern. might you move to place the charter in question for our next meeting, Asteral?
[01/26/06 12:32:09] [Community: Emera] Pardon speaking out of order if there is one, but I'm inclined to agree... More than half the votes, if totalled the way they have been, lean towards nay/abstain.
[01/26/06 12:32:22] [Community: Xixelle] Or yea/abstain
[01/26/06 12:32:25] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Emera to speak after Carinde please>
[01/26/06 12:32:27] [Community: Decon] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 12:32:34] [Community: Emera] Apologies. *shuts up*
[01/26/06 12:32:43] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 12:33:10] [Community: Yuusuke] Friend Asteral, you still hold the floor... would you move to put the Charter in question?
[01/26/06 12:33:13] [Community: Asteral] Very well. I wish to place the charter in question. I do not think it fair to vote someone in without majority.
[01/26/06 12:33:31] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. it is now on the agenda for next meeting.
[01/26/06 12:33:32] [Community: Boad`icea] I second
[01/26/06 12:33:37] [Community: Zennyo] third
[01/26/06 12:33:42] [Community: ssylva] I third and for this meeting
[01/26/06 12:33:43] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> posted.
[01/26/06 12:33:43] [Community: Emera] Fourth.
[01/26/06 12:34:06] [Community: Zennyo] second for now while numbers are here
[01/26/06 12:34:07] [Community: Asteral] I would also move for it to be possible to rexamine this vote should the charter be amended/disolved.
[01/26/06 12:34:07] [Community: Rolynd] Fifth
[01/26/06 12:34:20] [Community: Decon] *raises hand* again
[01/26/06 12:34:32] [Community: Yuusuke] Sadly, as much as a charming debate on the issue would be nice... we need place this before the forums first, then here.
[01/26/06 12:34:35] [Community: Asteral] By said question of course
[01/26/06 12:34:43] [Community: Zennyo] aggenda for this meeting has it to bring up as disscussion
[01/26/06 12:35:16] [Community: Decon] so people get to blurt out there opinions without raising their hands?
[01/26/06 12:35:21] [Community: Yuusuke] also noted Asteral. posted for the next meeting. the Charter is called into question for dissolution.
[01/26/06 12:35:28] [Community: Yuusuke] <calls for order>
[01/26/06 12:35:36] [Community: Yuusuke] Asteral has the floor.
[01/26/06 12:36:01] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Carinde, then Emera, then Decon, in turn>
[01/26/06 12:36:13] [Community: Emera] *withdrawls, as the question has been settled*
[01/26/06 12:36:29] [Community: Asteral] I feel as though the agenda should be ammended to resolve this issue immediatly.
[01/26/06 12:36:33] [Community: Yuusuke] <Carinde then Decon once asteral rests>
[01/26/06 12:36:44] [Community: Asteral] Seeing as how we have a good number of persons present.
[01/26/06 12:36:47] [Community: ssylva] seconded lets get this done tonight
[01/26/06 12:36:51] [Community: Yuusuke] you are most welcome to feel that way. it can not and will not be done.
[01/26/06 12:36:57] [Community: Levity] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 12:37:47] [Community: Yuusuke] Asteral, would you kindly yield the floir if you are done?
[01/26/06 12:38:10] [Community: Asteral] If you are sure it cannot be done. even though it has been presented and seconded. then here is nothing more I can say.
[01/26/06 12:38:24] [Community: Yuusuke] sadly, I am sure.
[01/26/06 12:38:28] [Community: Emera] *thirds it*
[01/26/06 12:38:28] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 12:38:42] [Community: Yuusuke] Carinde, please.
[01/26/06 12:38:58] [Community: Carinde] Thank you, I will try to make this brief so we can all finish the meeting and move on.
[01/26/06 12:39:02] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Levity to speak after Decon>
[01/26/06 12:39:34] [Community: Carinde] First, because I did not moderate this meeting, I would like to take the next meeting, or perhaps switch with Yuusuke when his turn is next.
[01/26/06 12:39:36] [Community: ssylva] raises claw for a procedural motion
[01/26/06 12:40:00] [Community: Carinde] Secondly, I would like to comment on the vote for Kwinn.
[01/26/06 12:40:06] [Community: Yuusuke] <will take Ssylva for a procedural after Carinde>
[01/26/06 12:41:21] [Community: Carinde] I understand that Kwinn might be a tad rough around the edges, and there might even be some concern with his new position. However, when it comes to fighting and assistance, it cannot be overlooked that Kwinn has helped Istaria in more ways than I can personally count. I would ask that all those who might have concerns to please allow Kwinn the chance to perform this new duty. I am certain that
[01/26/06 12:41:38] [Community: Carinde] he will do a wonderful job if allowed that opportunity.
[01/26/06 12:41:44] [Community: Xixelle] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 12:42:04] [Community: Carinde] That's all, and thank you again for the time. *lower hand and yields the floor.*
[01/26/06 12:42:22] [Community: Yuusuke] Ssylva for a procedural...
[01/26/06 12:42:27] [Community: Yuusuke] ..only...
[01/26/06 12:42:47] [Community: Yuusuke] <next Decon, then Levity, then Xixelle>
[01/26/06 12:43:00] [Community: ssylva] Ok -- I move to suspend the normal rules and call the other thing for an immediate vote -- if I know my roberts that CAN be done and would require a 2/3rds
[01/26/06 12:43:33] [Community: Emera] *seconds the notion*
[01/26/06 12:43:39] [Community: spynki] =RAISES HAND+
[01/26/06 12:43:50] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. a good point were Roberts to be of any bearing... but thank you for trying.
[01/26/06 12:43:57] [Community: Yuusuke] Decon, please.
[01/26/06 12:44:04] [Community: Decon] Just going an election here in Canada, a minority party won - abstain is a vote and it counts as one - it is nay vs. aye that determines a decision/ A majority is not required nor it should be.
[01/26/06 12:44:15] [Community: Decon] I yield the floor
[01/26/06 12:44:27] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you Decon.
[01/26/06 12:44:33] [Community: Yuusuke] Levity, please.
[01/26/06 12:45:10] [Community: Yuusuke] <Xixelle, thne Spynki>
[01/26/06 12:45:19] [Community: Levity] Much as I dislike political organizations, and indeed have left a few groups of friends that got "organized," there is a reason to follow rules.
[01/26/06 12:46:02] [Community: Levity] The Community as a whole set up some procedures, including giving time for debate on the forums for those whose RL obligations prevent attending these meetings.
[01/26/06 12:47:34] [Community: Levity] It would be grossly unfair to change rules mid-meeting. On the other hand, given the small available vote pool, it would be very unwieldy to demand a majority on every vote. If "abstain" is not an option, you will just get people not voting at all. There is no way to do a secret ballot, but with open voting people will be antsy about what they say.
[01/26/06 12:48:24] [Community: Levity] So, unpalatable as it might be to some, as long as we are being organized, we need to STAY that way, and follow the rules, including the rules on changing the rules. I yield.
[01/26/06 12:48:53] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 12:49:02] [Community: Yuusuke] Xixelle, please.
[01/26/06 12:49:07] [Community: Xixelle] Thank you.
[01/26/06 12:49:23] [Community: Xixelle] I have to second what Carinde said above about Kwinn.
[01/26/06 12:49:43] [Community: Xixelle] And, as a true new member of Istaria, he has been immensely helpful to this new player
[01/26/06 12:50:12] [Community: Xixelle] As to abstain, it is not a nay, and should not be counted as such.
[01/26/06 12:50:22] [Community: Xixelle] *sits and yields*
[01/26/06 12:50:33] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you also.
[01/26/06 12:50:41] [Community: Yuusuke] Spynki, please.
[01/26/06 12:50:41] [Community: Salishaz] *Raises Claw*
[01/26/06 12:50:51] [Community: spynki] thank you
[01/26/06 12:51:00] [Community: Yuusuke] <Salishaz after Spynki>
[01/26/06 12:51:33] [Community: spynki] I would like to third carindes speech but for a different reason
[01/26/06 12:51:37] [Community: spynki] ...
[01/26/06 12:52:19] [Community: spynki] I have been here for a year and a half ... recently this past summer i met kwinnn and he became our guildmaster by default bu
[01/26/06 12:53:07] [Community: Mystif] raises paw
[01/26/06 12:53:21] [Community: spynki] we accepted him not because he is tough and he can be rough around the edges and slightly frustrating but he is always the one to step up when noobies are being ignored in MP....
[01/26/06 12:53:33] [Community: Yuusuke] <Mystif to speak after Salishaz>
[01/26/06 12:53:42] [Community: spynki] and he does everything is his power to help em without paybacks....
[01/26/06 12:54:06] [Community: spynki] he also gives more advice about hunting than you usually care to know....
[01/26/06 12:54:40] [Community: spynki] i believe that this new post that you guys came up wth should have a crafting leader and an adv leader... and kwinn is one of the top hunters i know
[01/26/06 12:54:59] [Community: Emera] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 12:55:13] [Community: spynki] not just because he is my guildmaster do i say this but because i ahve seen it on more levels than you guys who dont see the inside can say
[01/26/06 12:55:29] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Emera to speak after Salishaz and Mystif>
[01/26/06 12:55:35] [Community: spynki] I yield the floor after seconding levity to say that rules are there for a reason
[01/26/06 12:55:41] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you
[01/26/06 12:55:51] [Community: Salishaz] As to voting and abstention from voting. In a normal system where voting is a requisite of the rulers quorem is needed. That is, you need to have a particular number of votes cast to have anything pass and hold legitimacy. That is all I have to say.
[01/26/06 12:56:11] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 12:56:32] [Community: Emera] First off, I apologize for speaking out of turn. I did not see a rollcall and therefore, feeling compelled, did so. *nods in apology*
[01/26/06 12:56:49] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> Mystif please.
[01/26/06 12:57:03] [Community: Emera] *did it again! Haha, sorry!*
[01/26/06 12:57:08] [Community: Mystif] I just want to say that I was busy during voting and agree with Carinde - Kwinn is a bit rough around edges - but he is really here to help peeps and has a good heart - if it isn't too late I wold cast my 3 account votes for Kwinn
[01/26/06 12:57:10] [Community: Yuusuke] ((no worries))
[01/26/06 12:57:27] [Community: Seirana] raises hand
[01/26/06 12:57:31] [Community: Chef] hello all
[01/26/06 12:57:37] [Community: Boad`icea] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 12:57:44] [Community: Mystif] done and thank you
[01/26/06 12:57:48] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you Mystif.
[01/26/06 12:57:53] [Community: Yuusuke] Emera, please
[01/26/06 12:58:02] [Community: Emera] *peeks* Is it safe? o.o
[01/26/06 12:58:19] [Community: Emera] Okay... my first statement stands.. twice fold. *grins foolishly*
[01/26/06 12:58:31] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Seirana and then Boad`dicea next>
[01/26/06 12:59:13] [Community: Emera] Secondly, I toss my vote in with those who have previously stated, "rules are rules", which includes rules for ammending the rules. With any system, there are ways to question and revise DURING the process, as has already been revealed within the Charter.
[01/26/06 13:00:31] [Community: Emera] It's all Fair and Good to see people's opinions about the said candidate, however, the numbers are in question, not opinion. THe numbers stand at 21 yea, 11 nay, 10 abstain. Adding, they are 21 who have decided, YES. 11 have decided no, 10 are not decided. The majority is not the 'yea's, 21/22. The majority are nays, or undecided.
[01/26/06 13:00:55] [Community: Emera] *stands down*
[01/26/06 13:01:04] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 13:01:24] [Community: Yuusuke] I would suggest we all reread the Charter carefully as this will be most interesting.
[01/26/06 13:01:37] [Community: Yuusuke] Seirana, please.
[01/26/06 13:01:41] [Community: Seirana] first i am new to this room and the way things are done so please correct me if i am wrong but i do believe the kwinn thing almong with the rules will be on forums i do not think any personal realtions ideas or speculations about how people feel about kwinn or anyone else should be revealed in here there are rules and with those set in place feelings good or bad about a person do not matter
[01/26/06 13:02:10] [Community: Seirana] i feel this matter should be dropped and pursued fuurther in forums i stand down than you for listening
[01/26/06 13:02:13] [Community: Maiyr] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 13:02:19] [Community: Menkure] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 13:02:26] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods a little as to discussion *before votes being better*> thank you
[01/26/06 13:02:46] [Community: Yuusuke] Boad`icea, please
[01/26/06 13:03:17] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Maiyr and then Menkure to speak after Boad`icea>
[01/26/06 13:03:57] [Community: Boad`icea] thank you, I voted for Kwin, because I see him helping, the other two got my nays, because I do not see them in game that much, they may have alts I am unaware of. My questions is, why are we voting for volunteers? If people want to help, why is it necessary for them to be voted for or against?
[01/26/06 13:04:00] [Community: Asteral] *raises a paw*
[01/26/06 13:04:01] [Community: Boad`icea] end
[01/26/06 13:04:25] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 13:04:32] [Community: Yuusuke] Maiyr, please.
[01/26/06 13:04:36] [Community: Maiyr] i was not here for the voting if i understand correctly kwinn is being voted in to a position of head of new player assistance? who were the other nominees?
[01/26/06 13:04:48] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Asteral to folow Menkure>
[01/26/06 13:05:11] [Community: Yuusuke] there were no other canditates available for either of the 2 positions in New Player lead...
[01/26/06 13:05:24] [Community: Yuusuke] ...so Kwinn stood first for one of the jobs...
[01/26/06 13:05:27] [Community: Boad`icea] again? why the vote?
[01/26/06 13:05:32] [Community: Boad`icea] oops sorry
[01/26/06 13:05:51] [Community: Yuusuke] ..the second job is still open
[01/26/06 13:06:03] [Community: Yuusuke] <apologies to Boad`icea>
[01/26/06 13:06:07] [Community: Maiyr] i would cast my vote as yea for kwinn
[01/26/06 13:07:01] [Community: Yuusuke] Boad`icea I missed that before. my regrets. we vote not for volunteers, but for 2 leaders to help organize the effort. that is all. volunteers please just help.
[01/26/06 13:07:22] [Community: Yuusuke] <bows now to Maiyr> might there be more, Maiyr?
[01/26/06 13:07:54] [Community: Maiyr] that is all
[01/26/06 13:08:00] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you
[01/26/06 13:08:00] [Community: Emera] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 13:08:08] [Community: Yuusuke] Menkure, please.
[01/26/06 13:08:18] [Community: Menkure] As per Seirana's comment about personal feelings, relations, or speculations.. it is a very important part of the discussion. As an example, if someone were to be nominated for the roll of community meeting moderator, who I know was a person who was extremely opinionated and had many people on their ignore list.. I personally cannot justify voting for them to be a moderator for a meeting<more>
[01/26/06 13:08:26] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Emera next>
[01/26/06 13:09:58] [Community: Menkure] Anyway, it would be very bad, as in the example that I have shown.. so it is, in effect.. it does have relivance.
[01/26/06 13:10:08] [Community: Menkure] *bows lowly and sits*
[01/26/06 13:10:13] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you
[01/26/06 13:10:18] [Community: Yuusuke] Emera please
[01/26/06 13:10:24] [Community: Emera] I believe there were others before me.
[01/26/06 13:10:31] [Community: Yuusuke] ah?
[01/26/06 13:10:33] [Community: Emera] I know Asteral was.
[01/26/06 13:10:38] [Community: Yuusuke] ARGH
[01/26/06 13:10:45] [Community: Yuusuke] <bows low to Asteral>
[01/26/06 13:10:51] [Community: Yuusuke] GreatOne, please.
[01/26/06 13:11:36] [Community: Yuusuke] Asteral.
[01/26/06 13:11:45] [Community: Asteral] I just have a few things i'd like to comment upon. When these meetings started, i was voted as the first leader of the new player team. I served my term. And stood down. I was active in the community for a good long while. Then the business with the charter came in and i left for just this reason. <more>
[01/26/06 13:12:56] [Community: Asteral] You all have wonderful things to say about Kwinn. I am not here to cause problems. i just have an honest concern. I cannot stand here and allow to be voted in a person who has many times stated how idioctic all dragons are. And how stupid so and so is constandly on a public line. You say he will do better and try. I suggest he clean up and act a bit more civl BEFORE he is voted into such a positio
[01/26/06 13:13:54] [Community: Asteral] And i know there are many here who feel the same way but will not speak up for fear of being blacklisted..or whatever you want to call it. I was put in his "list" for defending myself against such an "idiotic dragon comment"
[01/26/06 13:14:18] [Community: Asteral] Ignore list that is. THAT is not the kind of things i wish to see out of a person who is going to hold a position that i hold quite dear.
[01/26/06 13:14:20] [Community: Asteral] That is all.
[01/26/06 13:14:36] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. I would note the Charter does allow for a vote of recalll n an officer. And, might it be too much to hope that a Dragon would step up to be a candidate for the second job, in any case?
[01/26/06 13:15:20] [Community: Yuusuke] <defers now to Emera>
[01/26/06 13:15:26] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you for waiting.
[01/26/06 13:15:38] [Community: Emera] I personally would be more than happy to lend what knowledge I have to the dragon player base. I have not the experience of a more learned individual, however, I had once created a guild to help new hatchlings (but deferred back to my old guild because I missed the bunch).
[01/26/06 13:16:14] [Community: Ashuran] *raises a talon*
[01/26/06 13:16:29] [Community: Yuusuke] would you wish to be considered for the second New Player officer job, or wish to volunteer to help?
[01/26/06 13:16:39] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Ashuran next>
[01/26/06 13:16:52] [Community: Emera] However, referring to the matter at hand, and seeing as how it has been stated that opinions -are- indeed important in the decision of such weight, I must say I have heard both things about Kwinn. I have heard, however, more bad. I have not honestly met the person in question, aside from seeing a few things here and there, but being in the New Player and saying smart remarks, or Market even...
[01/26/06 13:17:01] [Community: Emera] Is not deserving of a person being a Leader regarding New Players.
[01/26/06 13:17:20] [Community: Emera] As we all know, the community is lacking in certain regards. We want more people -in-, not driving them out.
[01/26/06 13:17:59] [Community: Yuusuke] ah. would you wish to call for his recall from the office then? such would be placed on the agenda for next meeting if you wish.
[01/26/06 13:18:29] [Community: Emera] I have also been told buy several individuals that Kwinn, along with other members that are a high nusance (sp?) in the community, are all placed on THEIR ignore list. Granted, it saves them, but I really would call to attention the New players, which we do desperately need in game... They should not be confronted with such.
[01/26/06 13:18:49] [Community: Emera] I will donate my time as volunteer, and will run for a position on the bench if it pleases the MAJORITY.
[01/26/06 13:19:03] [Community: Emera] Again, I call attention to the numbers, and I stand down.
[01/26/06 13:19:27] [Community: Emera] Oh, and I call for recall.
[01/26/06 13:19:29] [Community: Emera] *stands down now*
[01/26/06 13:19:32] [Community: Boad`icea] ~raises hand~
[01/26/06 13:19:39] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> thank you very much.
[01/26/06 13:20:16] [Community: Yuusuke] a petiton for the recall of Kwinn from New Player Support is now on the next agenda.
[01/26/06 13:20:17] [Community: Rolynd] Second
[01/26/06 13:20:29] [Community: Yuusuke] <checks the next>
[01/26/06 13:20:31] [Community: Asteral] Third
[01/26/06 13:20:41] [Community: Yuusuke] Ashuran, please.
[01/26/06 13:21:02] [Community: Yuusuke] <Boad`icea after Ashuran>
[01/26/06 13:21:20] [Community: Corah] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 13:21:44] [Community: Yuusuke] <Corah to follow Ashuran and Boad`icea>
[01/26/06 13:21:59] [Community: Yuusuke] Friend Ashuran?
[01/26/06 13:22:10] [Community: Ashuran] Well, I cannot serve in an official capacity since I tend to undergo long periods of hibernation... but...<more>
[01/26/06 13:23:02] [Community: Ashuran] ...One has always assisted new hatchlings in the Dragon channel and One will always continue to do so. I Volunteer my assistance as well.
[01/26/06 13:23:31] [Community: Ashuran] That is all.
[01/26/06 13:23:31] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. All help is greatly appreciated.
[01/26/06 13:23:45] [Community: Yuusuke] Boad`icea please.
[01/26/06 13:25:32] [Community: Boad`icea] thank you, anyone that wants to be a "leader" should realize they need to be ingame, ALOT. I would have to say I want a recall on the other two positions as well, they may be nice but they are on ingame much. where are the projects groups? these two have not been in even the community meetings?
[01/26/06 13:26:04] [Community: Yuusuke] are you certain you wish to put them both to recall?
[01/26/06 13:26:20] [Community: Zennyo] she just crashed
[01/26/06 13:26:38] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods sadly> I will leave this item open for her return.
[01/26/06 13:26:42] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 13:26:44] [Community: Zennyo] nope was that darn window button
[01/26/06 13:26:44] [Community: Levity] *raises hand to address Boad'cea's quesiton*
[01/26/06 13:27:09] [Community: ssylva] raises claw
[01/26/06 13:27:14] [Community: Yuusuke] for now, Corah please.
[01/26/06 13:27:16] [Community: Ashuran] *raises a talon again*
[01/26/06 13:27:22] [Community: Corah] *will wait for Levity's question
[01/26/06 13:27:30] [Community: Yuusuke] Levity, please
[01/26/06 13:27:34] [Community: Boad`icea] sorry ~ will wait to continue
[01/26/06 13:28:34] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods welcome back: the speakers are now to be: Levity, then Boad`icea further, then Corah, then Ssylva, then Ashuran>
[01/26/06 13:28:39] [Community: Heather] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 13:28:46] [Community: Eileen] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 13:29:03] [Community: Levity] I can answer for Frith-Rae (and maybe for the other but by now have forgotten who it was :( )). Frith is very dedicated, but has RL time constraints that keep her from being at these meetings. On the other hand, she is in game more than I am, these days. Please don't use meeting attendance as your yardstick, look to the forums to see how active she and others are. I yield.
[01/26/06 13:29:10] [Community: Yuusuke] <Heather, then Eileen folowing Ashuran>
[01/26/06 13:29:30] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. Boad`icea then please.
[01/26/06 13:30:54] [Community: Boad`icea] thank you, I realize that RL can be a burden, Many do not visit the forums. I am in World Projects and Community and Market Place, I rarely see these individuals ingame. that is my concern for leadership positions.
[01/26/06 13:31:45] [Community: Levity] (( brief interruption: good night, folks. No need for replies :) ))
[01/26/06 13:31:46] [Community: Boad`icea] why do these positions need leaders, as this seems to be a great concern for many. If people want to help, I would think that would be appreciated.
[01/26/06 13:32:06] [Community: Yuusuke] <smiles> we all try to help
[01/26/06 13:32:32] [Community: Yuusuke] and all are welcome to do so. in fact encouraged.
[01/26/06 13:32:36] [Community: Boad`icea] We have spent 2 months that I am aware of on this voting and now we are recalling. that is fine.
[01/26/06 13:33:01] [Community: Yuusuke] might there be request then for a recall on C`gan as WP leader #1? please be very clear.
[01/26/06 13:33:16] [Community: Ashuran] *retracts his claw, his issue addressed*
[01/26/06 13:33:17] [Community: Boad`icea] perhaps volunteers in each group need to vote hthere own leaders, as they become aware who is the most active and helpful
[01/26/06 13:34:13] [Community: Boad`icea] I beleive that too much is placed on this voting of a leader, and this needs to be reexamined. sorry for all the words. end
[01/26/06 13:34:23] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes the list is After Boad`icea: Corah, then Ssylva, then Heather, then Eileen>
[01/26/06 13:34:37] [Community: Boad`icea] not I will not call for a recall, !~smiles~ just making a point ends for real
[01/26/06 13:34:46] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you Boad`icea. well said.
[01/26/06 13:34:51] [Community: Yuusuke] Corah, please.
[01/26/06 13:35:10] [Community: Corah] ok what is the purpose of all this position garbage besides an ego stroke? I mean come on I've met alot of people in my time here and pretty much everyone is or was helpful and not once did they ver ask for credit to any person or group. If they would have asked me to give them recognition I would have not asked their help again because suddenly it's for gain not out of kindness....
[01/26/06 13:35:18] [Community: Corah] Do these positions do anything important? I mean can they tell me "NO! you can't do this part of the project" or "No, you can't help that person" no they can't it's pointless. Look at the Shadows and the Disciples we help everyone as long as your nice to others. Do we need your rediculas positions not at all. Try to stop us from being helpful.....
[01/26/06 13:35:40] [Community: Corah] so now I ask for a solid answer because others have asked an no answer has been given
[01/26/06 13:35:47] [Community: Yuusuke] no no... there is some misunderstanding there...
[01/26/06 13:36:17] [Community: Yuusuke] the jobs here are only for those two Chartered jobs to help keep the records and channels working for the WP and NP...
[01/26/06 13:36:20] [Community: Corah] *waits for an answer before continuing*
[01/26/06 13:36:36] [Community: Yuusuke] ...they in no way limit or restrict what any others would wish to do...
[01/26/06 13:36:50] [Community: Asteral] SPeaking out of order, but since i have a bit of experience in the field...i think i can qualify an answer perhaps?
[01/26/06 13:36:52] [Community: Yuusuke] ..and in fact, any and all efforts are applauded!
[01/26/06 13:37:04] [Community: Yuusuke] <a moment Asteral please>
[01/26/06 13:37:25] [Community: Yuusuke] Did my reply make any better sense of things, Corah?
[01/26/06 13:37:47] [Community: Corah] maybe but I'll hear what Asteral has to say
[01/26/06 13:38:02] [Community: Yuusuke] Asteral, on topic only, please
[01/26/06 13:38:06] [Community: Asteral] You designate a team leader to "guide" volunteers. To help make the efforts go smoothly and keep track of what is needed on the consigns ect and letting volunteers know what is need, also handling any problems...or trying to handle anyway problems that might arise in new player...i
[01/26/06 13:38:31] [Community: Asteral] So you don't have 4 people making the same tools and leaving one completely absent. That sort of thing.
[01/26/06 13:39:07] [Community: Asteral] That is how..i took the position and executed it.
[01/26/06 13:39:34] [Community: Asteral] that is all
[01/26/06 13:39:35] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you very kindly, Asteral. Corah, more please if you wish.
[01/26/06 13:40:42] [Community: Yuusuke] <Ssylva, then Heather then Eileen after Corah yields>
[01/26/06 13:42:20] [Community: Yuusuke] Friend Corah?
[01/26/06 13:42:26] [Community: Corah] then is there a point for this vote to waste the time of people that attend these to see if there's something they can do to help out? What's so wrong with Kwinn doing it if he had yes votes? outside of him setting consigning prices for things what could he do wrong? People are saying that the undecided count towards no. I think that the undecided just don't give a &#$% and want this crap to be ov
[01/26/06 13:42:30] [Community: Corah] over
[01/26/06 13:42:50] [Community: Corah] so is there any reason we should waste our time with this in yet another meeting?
[01/26/06 13:42:53] [Community: Corah] done
[01/26/06 13:43:04] [Community: Yuusuke] Strong words. thank you.
[01/26/06 13:43:13] [Community: Yuusuke] Ssylva, please.
[01/26/06 13:43:40] [Community: Tigris] Here here.
[01/26/06 13:44:33] [Community: ssylva] I think it is bad precident and possibly against the rules to try to remove someone from office before they take office -- With the ease of doing a motion we could vote to impeach every other week. My question was a point of procedure and if a plurality or a majority is needed -- that is a valid concern but I dont think <more>
[01/26/06 13:44:33] [Community: Yuusuke] Friend Ssylva, the floor is yours.
[01/26/06 13:44:51] [Community: Yuusuke] ((oops sorry))
[01/26/06 13:45:46] [Community: ssylva] that it is a good idea to have a vote to remove from office until and unless there are reasons for it that are created by his being in office.
[01/26/06 13:46:11] [Community: Mystif] I agree wity ssylva
[01/26/06 13:46:37] [Community: Yuusuke] <chides Mystif gently as to order>
[01/26/06 13:46:52] [Community: Mystif] sorry
[01/26/06 13:47:04] [Community: ssylva] At any rate the order should definitely be to establish validity next meeting before any inadvised removal action. <done>
[01/26/06 13:47:27] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. yes, at least this one recall motion will allow...
[01/26/06 13:47:48] [Community: Yuusuke] ...the debate that likely should have come before the call for a vote. <nods>
[01/26/06 13:47:53] [Community: ssylva] 1 more thing sorry because of your reply
[01/26/06 13:48:01] [Community: Yuusuke] <defers>
[01/26/06 13:48:39] [Community: ssylva] Removal votes MIGHT be in order down the line once we see what kwinn does with his position -- it is just not right to set one the very next meeting after election and futile imho...
[01/26/06 13:48:59] [Community: Mystif] *riases paw*
[01/26/06 13:49:05] [Community: Boad`icea] ~agrees~
[01/26/06 13:49:18] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Mystif to follow Heather and Eileen>
[01/26/06 13:50:13] [Community: ssylva] <done>
[01/26/06 13:50:26] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you again. Heather, please.
[01/26/06 13:50:37] [Community: Heather] give me a sec to tuype please
[01/26/06 13:51:07] [Community: Yuusuke] <waits, of course>
[01/26/06 13:51:35] [Community: Heather] what constitutes playing time in relationship to being a leader? I ask that you all not use that as a prerquesitie for leadership positions. just because you dont see the person, doesnt mean that they are on, nec the same time as you, and sometimes, real life does call and take precidense over meetings, end
[01/26/06 13:52:08] [Community: Heather] sorry for misspellings
[01/26/06 13:52:25] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. a good question to consider.Eileen, please. ((no worries on spelling))
[01/26/06 13:52:35] [Community: Eileen] *stands* I would just like to suggest that, so long as the charter iitself is up for challenge next time. that the issue of group leadership be passed to the groups involved in the next charter. That they should logicially deterrmine their own leadership and that leader then report to this assembly, not this assembly tie their hands with tons of debate. I'd rather see that, than a rec call.
[01/26/06 13:53:11] [Community: Eileen] er...recall. sorry. *sits back down*
[01/26/06 13:53:41] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods> that was not considered before the motion to Recall Kwinn, however, but one to think about for others.
[01/26/06 13:53:45] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 13:53:53] [Community: Yuusuke] Mystif, please.
[01/26/06 13:53:54] [Community: Mystif] What does the charter say regarding removal of an officer - is the procedure being followed?? And agree with ssylvia - how can you recall someone who hasn't even taken office yet?
[01/26/06 13:54:48] [Community: Mystif] and I haven't seen any others volunteering for the position - so isn't this kinda moot? - sits down
[01/26/06 13:55:12] [Community: Yuusuke] to paraphrase, Recall is an ordinary agenda item. one person may ask to place it on the agenda for debate. As to moot... well, yes. Especially as there are 2 jobs to fill there.
[01/26/06 13:55:20] [Community: Yuusuke] Thank you.
[01/26/06 13:55:33] [Community: Corah] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 13:55:41] [Community: Yuusuke] Corah, please
[01/26/06 13:55:51] [Community: Corah] ok a little nicer this time....
[01/26/06 13:56:05] [Community: Corah] people were voted in correct?
[01/26/06 13:56:21] [Community: Corah] *waits*
[01/26/06 13:56:27] [Community: Yuusuke] yes. pending any votes on forum from before today, yes.
[01/26/06 13:56:48] [Community: Zennyo] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 13:57:00] [Community: Yuusuke] <Zennyo to follow Corah>
[01/26/06 13:57:15] [Community: Corah] ok and the people that lost said "fine, I'm gonna take my marbles and go home" so you recalled the vote correct?
[01/26/06 13:57:23] [Community: Corah] *waits*
[01/26/06 13:57:52] [Community: Frossa] ddshar
[01/26/06 13:57:56] [Community: Frossa] mt
[01/26/06 13:57:57] [Community: Yuusuke] well, they have placed a Recall motion for one officer, Kwinn, on the agenda for next time, yes.
[01/26/06 13:59:21] [Community: Rolynd] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 13:59:28] [Community: Corah] ok I have seen at least 4 ppl say they'd vote for Kwinn but we're not here or afk...I myself missed the votes because I crashed. so even with the "lack of majority" arguement that's more votes for Kwinn than everyone else together....can't we just say Congrats Kwinn and don't screw up and let it be that?
[01/26/06 13:59:34] [Community: Corah] *waits*
[01/26/06 13:59:45] [Community: Yuusuke] <Rolynd to follow Zennyo>
[01/26/06 14:00:27] [Community: Yuusuke] in fact we do say congrats to Kwinn, but he still stands for Recall next meeting...
[01/26/06 14:01:01] [Community: Corah] how does that give him time to do what he's supposed to....I have one suggestion and one question and I'm done
[01/26/06 14:01:09] [Community: Yuusuke] ...my opinion is not important as to if it is reasonable. If Kwinn is respected in the job, he will survive the Recall.
[01/26/06 14:01:15] [Community: Yuusuke] <defers now>
[01/26/06 14:02:14] [Community: Corah] 1st give the person at least 2 months to do the job and only open recalls then. That way it doesn't waste everyones playtime and it gives the person a chance to make an impression one way or the other. and now my question
[01/26/06 14:03:12] [Community: Corah] is there anything else to talk about besides this BS because I'd like to actually play since I sat here reading this for 3 hours? *will stand down after the suggestion and question are commented on*
[01/26/06 14:04:08] [Community: Yuusuke] A very good question. Thank you. I have a few calls for candidates, then Menkure will speak briefly and then we are done, if there is no further discussion.
[01/26/06 14:04:27] [Community: Yuusuke] Zennyo, please.
[01/26/06 14:05:12] [Community: Zennyo] i will be short i agree with all that you should not vote someone in then do a recall comments were asked for before the vote ..
[01/26/06 14:05:25] [Community: Zennyo] they should not have come at the end of the vote..
[01/26/06 14:06:05] [Community: Zennyo] have been on the forums since the meeting started there are only 3 posts in the meeting agenda and the only votes are yours yuusuke..
[01/26/06 14:06:40] [Community: Zennyo] the question here is that the charter needs to be thrown out the door it does not work when only one volinterrs for the postion...end
[01/26/06 14:06:48] [Community: Yuusuke] <nods> perhaps we can all take this as a learning experience. Thank you.
[01/26/06 14:07:00] [Community: Yuusuke] Rolynd, please.
[01/26/06 14:09:06] [Community: Yuusuke] Friend Rolynd?
[01/26/06 14:09:12] [Community: Rolynd] I simply beleive that to be in a leadership position, you must display ladership characteristics and qualities. Those who have spopken for the candidate have not been on the recieving end of his comments or attitude, those who have spoken against him have. To declare in market everytime you are disputed or disagrreed with that you are going to leave the game, to declare in market that players
[01/26/06 14:09:15] [Community: Rolynd] Typing
[01/26/06 14:09:32] [Community: Yuusuke] <waits>
[01/26/06 14:09:58] [Community: Rolynd] are now placed on an ignore list for disagreeing and declaring that dragons are worthless idiots and you wuold like to deal sevderal DP's to certain dragons are not leadershiip qualities
[01/26/06 14:10:31] [Community: Rolynd] I cringe to think that new players we wish to welcome into our ciommunity will be exposed to this
[01/26/06 14:11:00] [Community: Boad`icea] ~raises hand~
[01/26/06 14:11:25] [Community: Yuusuke] <Boad`icea to follow Rolynd>
[01/26/06 14:11:38] [Community: Rolynd] That is all...sorry
[01/26/06 14:11:49] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you.
[01/26/06 14:11:57] [Community: Yuusuke] Boad`icea, please
[01/26/06 14:12:35] [Community: Heather] *raises paw*
[01/26/06 14:12:44] [Community: Boad`icea] being a biped, not a dragon, perhaps I have missed his wrath. but also have not seen it in the last couple of months. I would have liked to see this discussion before the vote. .....
[01/26/06 14:12:48] [Community: Yuusuke] <Heather to follow Boad`icea>
[01/26/06 14:13:12] [Community: Rolynd] *raises hand*
[01/26/06 14:13:31] [Community: Yuusuke] <Rolynd to follow Heather>
[01/26/06 14:13:32] [Community: Boad`icea] I have not witnessed Kwinn's abuses. that does not mean they are not there..... BUt should this not have been discussed on the forums in the past two months since he volunteedred?
[01/26/06 14:14:35] [Community: Eileen] *nods agreement*
[01/26/06 14:14:37] [Community: Praxis] *signals a desire to speak*
[01/26/06 14:14:40] [Community: Boad`icea] Why bring it up now? if there is to be a change in charter, then shouldn't all votes be cancelled until after, since a differnnt charter may apply?.....
[01/26/06 14:15:01] [Community: Yuusuke] <Praxis to follow Heather and Rolynd>
[01/26/06 14:15:02] [Community: Eileen] *nods again*
[01/26/06 14:15:37] [Community: Boad`icea] if C'gan and Frith-Rae can be recognized as being on Forums for their contributions, and not ingame, shouldn't they be recalled too since I find this unacceptable?
[01/26/06 14:15:46] [Community: Boad`icea] end
[01/26/06 14:16:12] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. Is there a call for Recalls of either other officer?
[01/26/06 14:16:23] [Community: Boad`icea] yes
[01/26/06 14:16:39] [Community: Yuusuke] very well. Noted and placed on the agenda.
[01/26/06 14:17:08] [Community: Yuusuke] Thank you again. Heather, please.
[01/26/06 14:17:11] [Community: Heather] I would like to ask for all discussion to be tabled , since the time that it is taking, can still not lead to answers, or resolutions, can we continue in the next meeting or on the boards?
[01/26/06 14:17:11] [Community: Praxis] *request withdrawn. Unplanned exit*
[01/26/06 14:17:29] [Community: Eileen] Second
[01/26/06 14:17:43] [Community: Yuusuke] <list now: Heather and then Rolynd only>
[01/26/06 14:18:02] [Community: Yuusuke] I think we are winding down... as these are all new business...
[01/26/06 14:18:22] [Community: Yuusuke] might Rolynd speak and then we move on?
[01/26/06 14:18:33] [Community: Yuusuke] Roylynd, please.
[01/26/06 14:19:34] [Community: Yuusuke] *Rolynd ((sorry))
[01/26/06 14:19:52] [Community: Rolynd] In answer to the multitude of comments about the timeframe when these comments should have been made...I apologize for missing the opportunity to begin this discussion before the actual vote or I wuld have happily rought it up...as to the forum remark...i do not frequen the forums, I spend my time here, therefore my stance is to be made known here and now
[01/26/06 14:20:27] [Community: Rolynd] I was under the sassumption that was what the 'Community' discussion was for
[01/26/06 14:20:33] [Community: Zennyo] agree with forum comment
[01/26/06 14:21:19] [Community: Boad`icea] ~agrees~ forum is not Istaria
[01/26/06 14:21:23] [Community: Yuusuke] Thank you. This is the place to discuss, and we have most admirabley... just a little bit late.
[01/26/06 14:21:41] [Community: Yuusuke] Is there more, Friend Rolynd?
[01/26/06 14:21:54] [Community: Rolynd] That is all
[01/26/06 14:21:59] [Community: Yuusuke] Thank you
[01/26/06 14:22:09] [Community: Yuusuke] Last orders of business then:
[01/26/06 14:22:29] [Community: Zennyo] *raise Hand*
[01/26/06 14:22:41] [Community: Yuusuke] Call for volunteers to join the moderation list for this Assambly...er...
[01/26/06 14:22:49] [Community: Yuusuke] Zennyo, please
[01/26/06 14:23:24] [Community: Eileen] *raises the volunteer hand*
[01/26/06 14:23:28] [Community: Zennyo] sorry just before you move on can you recap like what is up for next agenda from new bussness
[01/26/06 14:24:28] [Community: Zennyo] end
[01/26/06 14:24:35] [Community: Yuusuke] that would be the "Old Business" come next time...<smiles> 1) charter faces a challenge. 2) Kwinn faces Recall 3) C`gan faces recall 4)Frith-Rae faces Recall...
[01/26/06 14:25:03] [Community: ssylva] procedural inquiry
[01/26/06 14:25:14] [Community: Yuusuke] ...5+) if any new candidates step forward, and the Charter survives, they are then voted on.
[01/26/06 14:25:28] [Community: Yuusuke] <notes Eileen for the Moderator list>
[01/26/06 14:25:30] [Community: Zennyo] thanks
[01/26/06 14:25:38] [Community: Yuusuke] most welcome.
[01/26/06 14:25:43] [Community: ssylva] raises claw for the procedural inquiry
[01/26/06 14:25:44] [Community: Yuusuke] ssylva, please.
[01/26/06 14:26:00] [Community: ssylva] There were NO seconds or thirds on points 3 and 4
[01/26/06 14:26:10] [Community: ssylva] just the motion
[01/26/06 14:26:21] [Community: ssylva] so they were never carried
[01/26/06 14:26:31] [Community: Yuusuke] true. only one voice need be heard to place an item on the next agenda. but 3 are needed to bring it to a vote.
[01/26/06 14:26:58] [Community: Yuusuke] I undertand your question, but...
[01/26/06 14:27:27] [Community: ssylva] I saw it more as NOBODY else wanted it to come up to a vote
[01/26/06 14:27:32] [Community: Yuusuke] ...the Charter we operate under is made to make it easy to open debate and hard to pass anything.
[01/26/06 14:27:46] [Community: Boad`icea] no kidding ~laughs~
[01/26/06 14:27:59] [Community: Yuusuke] I would wish you were right, frankly, but if even one calls for an item, it goes to debate.
[01/26/06 14:28:21] [Community: ssylva] then that also needs to be changed if it is set up that way
[01/26/06 14:28:25] [Community: Boad`icea] ~raises hand~
[01/26/06 14:28:32] [Community: Yuusuke] does that answer your question, ssylva?
[01/26/06 14:28:37] [Community: ssylva] yep
[01/26/06 14:28:41] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you
[01/26/06 14:28:48] [Community: Yuusuke] Boad`icea please
[01/26/06 14:29:55] [Community: Boad`icea] I also do not agree with the recall. and I apologize, it was a point being taken, and I am sorry that this meeting has again accomplished nothing on the votes. I do not think any of them shoul dhaved been recalled unless they did something while in office. end
[01/26/06 14:30:23] [Community: Yuusuke] thank you. let us hope the Assembly concurs next time.
[01/26/06 14:30:28] [Community: Yuusuke] Well then...
[01/26/06 14:30:49] [Community: Yuusuke] Any others for the Moderator list? it is such a wonderful job...<grins>
[01/26/06 14:31:02] [Community: Boad`icea] ~laughs~
[01/26/06 14:31:07] [Community: Yuusuke] <holds this open for 30 sec more>
[01/26/06 14:31:15] [Community: Heather] *hystercally laughing*
[01/26/06 14:31:37] [Community: Eileen] *smiles*
[01/26/06 14:31:42] [Community: Ashuran] One would volunteer if One weren't certain of not having anything close to the experience or temperament required, hehh
[01/26/06 14:32:02] [Community: Corah] *watches while everyones god points are blown to hell because progress is feared*
[01/26/06 14:32:04] [Community: Yuusuke] very well then. Next: any Candidates for WP, NP... one job open ther each
[01/26/06 14:32:32] [Community: Yuusuke] <holds this open for 30 secs more>
[01/26/06 14:33:07] [Community: Yuusuke] very well then.
[01/26/06 14:33:22] [Community: Yuusuke] I will now declare this meeting in its formality closed...
[01/26/06 14:33:34] [Community: Boad`icea] thank you Yuusuke
[01/26/06 14:33:55] [Community: Zennyo] thanks yuusuke for your hard work
[01/26/06 14:33:58] [Community: Chef] great job at moderating Yuusuke
[01/26/06 14:34:02] [Community: Yuusuke] ...and offer the podium to Friend Menkure who wishes to speak a bit about the Shard Herald Report.
[01/26/06 14:34:13] [Community: Eileen] Thank you Yuusuke. Nice moderation.
[01/26/06 14:34:32] [Community: Yuusuke] <bows low> thank you all. if nothing else, a marvelous exercise of our individual perrogatives this day.
[01/26/06 14:34:46] [Community: Yuusuke] <withdraws to listen>
[01/26/06 14:35:03] [Community: Menkure] Thank you Yuusuke *bows lowly*
[01/26/06 14:36:03] [Community: Menkure] For everyone here, I have a new Herald almost completed.. It is only waiting the official voting results, which Frith will post first on the community boards.. this is only so that they are official and final ((and so I don't make a mistake in my reporting *grins* ))
[01/26/06 14:37:03] [Community: Menkure] Many things have happened as of late, including the completion of the new clothworking shop outside the Ironsilk, and the completion of the Aughendell mine
[01/26/06 14:37:32] [Community: Menkure] I expect it to be out soon, all pending whenever the official results from the meeting have been posted.
[01/26/06 14:37:53] [Community: Menkure] *smiles and bows lowly to everyone* Thank you all, and thank you Yuusuke.
[01/26/06 14:38:14] [Community: Boad`icea] congrats Menkure!! look forward to reading it
[01/26/06 14:39:03] [Community: Zennyo] will read it thanks..must fly me 2 hour quest wait is up weee
[01/26/06 14:40:51] [Community: Heather] goodnight all!
[01/26/06 14:41:05] [Community: Zennyo] night Heather
[01/26/06 14:41:35] [Community: Yuusuke] <bows to one and all> I go to post them shortly. Be Well and Safe, All! <departs>
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