Talk to the Team: Dragon Schools: New Schools

[Tilithia]

Ancient is like another step for dragon therefore extending cap and schools for ancient only makes sense.
To those who like to stay hatchies,theres one more solution. make another charater. it doesn't take very long to get to 100.

[Kerech]

it doesn't take very long to get to 100.

You've obviously never seen me play :)

[Tilithia]

Sorry-first character can take years to 100,ive seen that (done too). but usually its a lot easier when you do 2nd character on so on as you know the places and tricks of the game. meant no offense to anyone.

[Litarath]

Ancient is like another step for dragon therefore extending cap and schools for ancient only makes sense.
To those who like to stay hatchies,theres one more solution. make another charater. it doesn't take very long to get to 100.

This is a very dismissive post...

For the record, I have over 30 characters, among which are 23 Dragons, of which 10 are Ancient or just need to press the button to become ancient. Others are in various stages of training.

I don't need to 'just make another character', that's just like saying to someone who wouldn't normally have the slots or the funds to 'pay for a sub anyhow, even though you can't afford it'

I'm tired of seeing so many Ancients and Adults, not specifically mine, but in general.

No, hatchlings need to be expanded upon, give them a chance to have something different. Ancients and Adults get massive bonuses already, but that should not limit any 'new' schools to just Ancient.

Not everyone wants to be stuck playing an Ancient, or moreover be forced into becoming Ancient just to have a chance at new schools. Crystalshaper, I'm looking at you, you biased... annoying, hatchie-hater school. It's already been done, don't keep doing it.

No, give that chance to Adults and Hatchlings too. Its already undisputed that Ancients are the 'strongest' of dragons and its not like a Multiclassed Ancient wouldn't be stronger than a multiclassed Adult or Hatchling. An Ancient's innate stats are impossibly higher.

[Tilithia]

On the other hand you could think of something that would require you to be hatchling only. Soemthing that adults or ancients cant do anymore.

[silverth]

On the other hand you could think of something that would require you to be hatchling only. Soemthing that adults or ancients cant do anymore.

Only thing like this I can think of is, the replica chest scales. It's the only "Hatchie-only" thing I can recall. :/

I'm also slowly browsing through this thread, I don't have a lot to add, beyond "Hatchies need more options besides ascending."
-scoots out of the way again.

[Malicore]

*Pictures Kung-Fu Dragon hatchies running around...*

[Kaerisk]

I'd like to add my two copper about growth.


This thread opened two years ago. The concept of it and the desire for it have been around a lot longer. As a reminder, the title of the topic is New Schools, specifically, for dragons. In these passing two years we have seen a few new spells, claw strike, and gold rage getting nerfed. How many new adventure schools were added? 0. Though crystalshaper was added, it was not asked for or debated in this discussion.

We as a community haven't grown.

Every time I come back to this thread, hoping, maybe, this time it will be different. That people will have found something to agree upon, even if it isn't what I worked up, and that the devs will have agreed as well. But every time I come back, the topic has been derailed. There's always some divisive issue or non-sequitur that people attack or defend. It's never, "oh, I like this class more than that one" - it's, "I don't ever want this thing - yes you DO!" It's extremely disheartening.

It's also why we have 0 new adventure classes.

With the community being as small as we are, the devs really can't risk making a move that could alienate one side or another. So naturally, their only move is to make no move. I know we live in an exceptionally divided time and that the values many hold are so sacrosanct that they could never imagine even glancing at the other side. But if new schools is something that we truly want, we're going to have to compromise. That was my goal behind writing up all the classes and the lore that I did: I wanted to give us a starting point for us to rally around. For us to say, these classes are good and I would enjoy playing them, but they might need to be tweaked in X, Y, or Z way. And we can argue X, Y, and Z until we're blue in the face, but at least we will have said, yes: we want new schools.

And, as someone who does, I concede the point that it is possible that there are those that don't want new schools. And if that's the case, we need to stop coming back to this thread or find a compromise.

So let's keep it simple. No explanation, no argument for or against, just a vote. Do you want more dragon schools, yes or no?

[Shazo]

As to what Kaerisk sayd, I agree 100%. This thread has been here long enough to not have produced anything new beside pointless arguments.

Want a new class? Say your idea or vote for one already existing.

Don't want a new class? Then nobody is pushing you to use it. You know that there is a way to switch schools? It's not mandatory. But don't ruin other peoples wishes just because YOU don't want to use it/have it. It's your choice, but see it this way. Someone gives the idea to build a supermarket at x place, and there are 10 people to vote. You go and be the only one to vote NO, so the other 9 people can screw up and there will be no supermarket, just because you don't like the idea.

Maybe if you do want a new class but don't entirely like the suggestions sayd, then just say your own, or say no to this and that, but don't say plain NO just because you don't like certain aspects of it.

Come on people, don't be childish. This is a community, people have to compromise in order to get anything. And yes, as Kaerisk stated we are a SMALL community. Every vote counts, every idea counts. So if you see that many do vote or say Yes to a certain thing, don't be a d*ck and say No. Think about the majority that did say Yes.

I tought Istarian community was one of the most mature I've encountered on the internet since most of the players I've got to know are +30 or around that age so.. reasoning? Anyone?

As to my vote, YES. I do want more dragon schools. (I repeat, nobody is pushed or needed to use the new classes if there will be any. You can keep your normal school as it is.)

[meepsa]

I'm with Racktor on creating specialisations rather than creating something completely from scratch.

[Arzel Rashemi]

I have to agree with Racktor's points on this.

A simple yes or no answer won't work for something complicated like this. Its too complex of a question to simplify into black or white. Asking for a simplified answer is not asking them to discuss why they agree or disagree, nor does it allow an open discourse that makes room for a variety of opinions or expression of other options or ideas.

This isn't a minor change where the devs are asking us if we want a new text font or if we want new goldfish in Jenkin's Pond. Its a major change that is very complex and complicated and affects hundreds of players.

I'm undecided in total because in some ways I would love to see certain things that are possible, but in others aspects of dragon schools that could be implemented or have been previously discussed both on and off these forums I would have to disagree with.

[LOVWYRM]

What Racky says. What Arzel says.

[Kaerisk]

Actually, my plan was to lead an iterative discussion, in which we discuss school ideas point by point, dealing with what kind of classes, restrictions, balance, etc. But I wanted to make sure that we all actually wanted new schools, or at least a majority did, so that the discussion would not be a wasted effort. Please, please, please, please, please work with me.

At this stage all I would like is a yes or no answer. It's fine if your answer is no or undecided, but I would like to just get a base line of whether or not people actually want this. We need to be truthful with each other if we're to get anything accomplished.




Directions: Please answer the question with a yes or no answer. Further questions will come later allowing for more discussion.

Do you want new dragon adventure schools?

[Kaerisk]

Example:

Yes.

[Calyndrell]

Ancient is like another step for dragon therefore extending cap and schools for ancient only makes sense.
To those who like to stay hatchies,theres one more solution. make another charater. it doesn't take very long to get to 100.

Spoken like a true Non-RPer. For those that RP a character comes from a part of them.

IF ancients are getting their own school then why shouldn't hatchlings. Perhaps taking the school perma locks them into the adolescent form. They have chosen to turn the power for growth inwards. So perhaps Epic-Hatchlings learn to focus on evading attacks/spells and mostly on defensive moves... perhaps their sharp little claws have more bleed effects and DoT's

Either way Hatchies need love

[Tilithia]

That sounds like a good idea. It is hard to compromise.