Vista: Good or Evil?

[Justa Mirage]

Based on the troubles it gives Istarian players, Is Vista worth the trouble?

[LaughingOtter]

Vista - almost enough to make it worth switching to Mac.

Almost.

[Velea]

Go, go, gadget Linux!

[GalemThawn]

As an IT professional, I trully dread the day my clients will have to start purchasing and using Vista.

[Vlisson]

vista is our doom ^^

[Takora Drakan]

Burn Vista! It's a witch!

[Hrough]

As an IT professional, I trully dread the day my clients will have to start purchasing and using Vista.

This. I strongly agree with this. (I'm still an IT-professional-in-training (hehe, college), but this concept frightens me)

[Veruliyam]

How about we cut to the chase?

Bill Gates is deh EBIHL!!

[Xanthia]

Anything that prevents you from playing the greatest game in da world (waves flag that says "go Istaria!") is pure evil. That said, I am glad I still don't have Vista. ^^

[Mensar]

Vista is FINE.

It's just working through the kinks right now with it's mandatory paid beta testing crowd (everyone that bought a computer and wasn't given a choice on which OS to use) giving feedback (by whining to computer techs that the stuff they normally use isn't working) to their professional reps (the Indian guys you can't understand on the phone.. yea the same ones that can't speak engRish are the ones that are trying to compile bugs for the developers) so the information can be passed on their professional coders (the guys that have been working around the clock for the last 2 years trying to fix every bug, glitch and hiccup in Vista.. that usually causes every other bug, glitch and hiccup because their dev team and their troubleshooting team don't talk to each other) in order to be implemented (when and if there's a new windows update.. otherwise it may be lumped into a security patch.. but not likely this late in the game) As SOON as they can get the problem narrowed down and fixed.
See? Noooo worries!

[Amerelium]

Vista ain't evil, it's just plain dumb...

[Amecha]

I am getting Vista and just leaving in the box just in case, but I easily prefer XP over Vista. When it takes its own CPU just to run, that has to say something. "This here duo core processor I use to play ma games, and then this here quad core I use to run Vista so I can play the games."

This is purely personal, and I hate the fact that my laptop uses Vista, but I am leaving the possibility open for in the future. In this case, they put the cart before the horse, and then expected the horse to be able to figure out what to do with it. I'm just waiting on the horse now. And until then I'll keep the Vista box in storage with the rest of my useless "space taker" items.

[Smaug]

Well if your gonna base it on troubles it gives people playing Istaria then has to be evil.

Personally it hasn't been that bad for me. Yes if I shut down or lose power or something else causes me to have to power down completely then I have to repeatedly attempt to get in using standalone launcher, reboot, attempt to get in, reboot etc etc etc until it finally works. Once it does though I never shut down. I use hibernate and it works fine.

One thing I have done the last 2 times I had a regular shutdown and Istaria worked first time was this. I went to the website and logged in to my account. Selected character and attempted to enter game. Got serveral errors closing each error until got the message Istaria started successfully and then closed itself. I then went and used the standalone launcher (without rebooting) and it let me in. If you can get it to launch by repeatedly rebooting until it works might want to give this a try see if it helps. Don't try to use standalone first though, have to do website login first after reboot then standalone.

Don't know if I was just lucky or what. Haven't tried it enough to really say if its a constant workaround or not. Might give it a try though and see what happens.

Smaug

[AmonGwareth]

If this forum had been around since 1992 it would have been interesting to compare threads on each new Windows OS from 3.1 forward. And I imagine there would be the same complaints... Windows 95 is evil, ebil I tell you! DOS will rule forever. Then Windows 98 is evil... Windows 2000 is evil. Windows XP is evil. And now Vista. heheh.

[Drakarr]

I like gnome pie.

[Mensar]

If this forum had been around since 1992 it would have been interesting to compare threads on each new Windows OS from 3.1 forward. And I imagine there would be the same complaints... Windows 95 is evil, ebil I tell you! DOS will rule forever. Then Windows 98 is evil... Windows 2000 is evil. Windows XP is evil. And now Vista. heheh.

Yep.. they'll pull it together over at microsoft at some point. It's just a matter of time.

[Mahja]

If this forum had been around since 1992 it would have been interesting to compare threads on each new Windows OS from 3.1 forward. And I imagine there would be the same complaints... Windows 95 is evil, ebil I tell you! DOS will rule forever. Then Windows 98 is evil... Windows 2000 is evil. Windows XP is evil. And now Vista. heheh.

You forgot the red-headed step child, Windows ME.

As for vista, I am not a big fan of it, but unfortunately my laptop came out right when vista was released, so it was made for it. The XP drivers have issues.

I work in tech support, and in my experience, fixing vista is in between XP and Mac on the headache scale.

[Pharcellus]

If this forum had been around since 1992 it would have been interesting to compare threads on each new Windows OS from 3.1 forward. And I imagine there would be the same complaints... Windows 95 is evil, ebil I tell you! DOS will rule forever. Then Windows 98 is evil... Windows 2000 is evil. Windows XP is evil. And now Vista. heheh.

BS.

I have been in the IT industry since 82. I have serviced THOUSANDS of customers and their various systems over the years.

I won't bore anyone with my take on DOS, but here's my experiences with Windows:

Windows 1.0 was an experiment.
Windows 2.0/2.1 was a refinement of the experiment to make it useful.
Windows 3.0 was the first iteration of a usable version of Windows. It was crap.
Windows 3.1 was decent.
Windows 95 was awesome.
Windows 98 was almost crap.
Windows 98SE was awesome.
Windows ME should have never been shipped. It wasn't even a complete OS. It was an attempt to hybridize the 95/NT codebases to try and create an upgrade path to 2000.
Windows NT 3.5 was decent
Windows NT 4.0 was awesome
Windows 2000 had a few minor hiccups, but pretty much was the best OS MS ever shipped.
Windows XP was nothing but a bugfix and shell revamp (read: GUI makeover) for 2000. Since it was still 2000, it is still awesome, except for the bum service packs which kept screwing things up.
Windows Vista should never have been shipped. It is a completely broken implementation of a totally moronic design. Microsoft needed a new cash cow, and they rushed it out. Basically, Vista is EXACTLY like ME in that it is a hybridized OS which intended to link XP with Longhorn. They couldn't get Longhorn done in time, and the "ship it" management (from Bill on down) weighed in, and now we have an incomplete transitional OS which breaks itself, breaks apps, confuses the user, confuses many IT professionals, ANNOYS the crap out of everyone with that stupid security model, and has more security holes than just about any other MS OS ever shipped.

So, it isn't about "good" or "evil"; it's a simple question of "quality" or "crap". Vista sets the new "vista" for "crap".

Assuming Microsoft EVER ships Windows 7, it will probably be what Vista should have been, just like 2000 being what ME should have been.

[Hasai]

Vista ain't evil, it's just plain dumb....

In my travels, I have met true Evil, and I have met pure idiocy.

I have also found that I prefer the former over the latter. For with Evil, you can at least negotiate.

[Solitaire]

It just amuses me that when XP was released, it was heavily advertised as being better and safer and more secure. When that proved not to be true after a rash of viruses and security breaches followed closely upon it's debut, advertising just seemed to disappear for a long while. Probably not pushed again until after SP1 was released and plugged some of the bigger gaping holes, if I recall correctly.

Fast forward to Vista and it seems that the initial marketing push was quite limited compared to XP's campaign. However, I would have to say that the current marketing is nothing but "damage control". Those "Mojave Experiment" commercials indicate to me that the negative publicity Vista has recieved from a large number of ticked off users and Apple's marketing push have had a signifigant impact on sales. I have no idea at all what they are trying to do with the Gate/Seinfeld commercials. Seems like an awful waste of air time that could be better filled with pink cartoon bears pushing toilet paper to me.

I can't honestly say what I think about Vista itself. I have yet to touch a computer running it. And I see no reason at all to pony up money to replace a system that is now mature and stable with something that seems to have legitimate issues based upon the number of people complaining. When Vista is more mature, I might give it a shot. But for now, XP stays right where it is and I'm content with it.