so this is a crafting game?

[Shian]

As mentioned before, with your ability to fly, you have an edge when it comes to harvesting raw resources. Seems to me there is always a demand for raw or processed resources.

Not when bipeds can reach 3x the speed dragons can. I've seen a master crafter get around/up a mountain faster than my Ancients. Name a place and time it. I guarantee you the maxed out biped will win against a maxed out dragon every single time. So that copout is just garbage. Maybe that will change when we get our T6 jewelry, but this means bipeds can sell raw resources more efficiently than dragons can.

It would be nice to actually be good at something that benefits the economy.

[Blue Hasia]

Probably not, no.

Some of us do NOT want to play bipeds. If a biped character was my only choice in this game, I would not play *at all*. I don't care how "easy" or "hard" it is to level as one or another. What I care about is the shape of my toon. Yes, it's that simple.

No wings, no tail, no play.

only reason why i play is to be a dragon also.

[Dhalin]

I, too, play this game 90% because it has playable dragons.

Dragons really are the main thing that is keeping this game alive.

No dragons means a LOT of players quitting, suddenly.

There are lots of games where you can play bipeds (games that have larger companies and more money backing them, and have more frequent updates, etc). No offense to VI meant in the slightest here; they do a fine job with what resources they do have available to them.

I'm pretty surprised nobody else out there has tried to cash in on the "dragon niche", as there are hundreds of MMORPGs out there, but only 1 that has *real* playable dragons?

[Dragonboy]

As mentioned before, with your ability to fly, you have an edge when it comes to harvesting raw resources. Seems to me there is always a demand for raw or processed resources.

And the fact that bipeds currently have jewelry that makes bipeds run twice as fast as a dragon can fly you forget to mention.

Shinkuu, please do not forget that bipeds indeed need at least 4 schools to properly build a plot. However as biped you fill a disk with raw, construct the processed resources and finish crafting the plot units… 1 resource, 2 different units… sure that is very very very difficult. A real grind that is true, but not very difficult. Were as Dragons need 2 resources for 3 units and 3 resources for the remaining 3 units and as such have a much lower crafting speed for the units, because either we collect and dump in a silo or we build the units on site. T1 and T2 are ok in NT and Abandoned island (when a high level dragon) but anything above that you are flying more then gathering.
Not to mention that All silo’s that bipeds use have similar footprints, and can be deleted and replaced by a higher tier once the appropriate level has been achieved, were as dragon have these buildings called Storage chambers… T1 is 1 floor, 1 space, T2 is 2 floors, 2 spaces. But this is for another discussion.

Blue asks for items that actually make dragons be important for bipeds. Bipeds are needed for RoP, ARoP, Acid Breath quest and Drain Bolt quests and probably many more that do not come to mind at the moment. Bipeds are INDEPENDENT, while Dragons are DEPENDENT. Notice a difference in the 2 words, sure bipeds have it harder with more schools to level. In theory a biped can level mason without ever having to build or place a plot unit, while a dragon gets 90% of experience from this very action… The placing of the Units in a lair.

Bipeds and Dragons are both very different playstyles. Bipeds get rich from leveling adv school after adv school on trophies, while Dragons only have 1 school period.

The whole point Blue was making in his initial post was that Dragons should be allowed to create a consumable that would allow dragons to actually make a coin instead of always having to buy from bipeds. And considering you are so against it I wonder if you fear competition or just don’t want dragons to craft something like that simply because you have more schools to level and as such are the only one allowed to sell crafted stuff?

[Jorev1]

You neglect the reality that bipeds will agro mobs as they run past them and these mobs will chase them and attack them. Dragons have the luxury of dropping down exactly where the resources are and avoiding mobs along the way, as well as being able to fly back with their disk, and being unhampered while returning with their resources whilst bipeds are exposed even more so on their return trip with a disk by slower speed.

[LungTien Temeraire]

Dragons can be targeted by mobs, and killed, if they don't go high enough, and they can also be killed while they land and gather resources.

[Sigi]

It would be nice if dragons could craft usable crystals. At least I would like it if they could.

[LOVWYRM]

*hugs Sigi*

[Kesqui]

Dragons can be targeted by mobs, and killed, if they don't go high enough, and they can also be killed while they land and gather resources.

That's what my last two DPs came from - trying to gather marble and getting ganged up on by four marble boulder golems I couldn't see until I'd been on the ground for a full thirty seconds and started mining... and unfortunately Kesqui's not the brightest and doesn't always listen to me saying "oh no, fly UP, fly UP, stop digging, stupid, we need to get off the ground!"

The other one was a group of forest oastics while I was trying to get shining essence - if there'd been a treant in there, then that could have pulled me out of the air from a stupid height with a Root spell....

[LungTien Temeraire]

When I go for shining essence, I stay usually around the house, there are mostly simple essence around, not much wisps, and no oastics for a large area. I hope it helps you.

[Veruliyam]

HATCHIES will also aggro mobs!

HATCHIES are more vulnerable than bipeds!

HATCHIES cannot fly!

Bipeds have ALL their armor slots open and available to them! And can also armor up with JEWELRY!

Bipeds can use ANY weapons but claws.

HATCHIES have ONE weapon! Claws!

HATCHIES have ONE armor slot at level 0-9, two at 10-19, three at 20-29, and NO jewelry slots!

Both can ask in Marketplace for what they cannot make, or level one class (DCRA) or too many (OUT, BLK, ARM, etc) to make their own.

This game is a two-for-one deal. It's wonderful! Dragons and bipeds are each a game on their own. Can any other game offer that?!

And your presumption that because dragons can fly, it makes them invulnerable, is fallacious. My dragons have been killed because I have to wait for the ANIMATION to process before I can even get off the ground! You have to learn, for both dragon and biped, how long you can stand and fight before you have to RUN (or, yes, fly).

[velveeta]

As mentioned before, with your ability to fly, you have an edge when it comes to harvesting raw resources. Seems to me there is always a demand for raw or processed resources.

prob with this is that there are a limited number of useful resources a dragon can harvest for a ped....

ditto for me (as usual) with veru.....

i would totally get behind draggys crafting crystals, and it makes sense to me, as they do similiar in lairshaping....

i live for the day when a convo about draggys/ peds doing things that other can't does not include 'well, you can do that, i can only do this' litany....

[Dragonboy]

HATCHIES have ONE armor slot at level 0-9, two at 10-19, three at 20-29, and NO jewelry slots!

And your presumption that because dragons can fly, it makes them invulnerable, is fallacious. My dragons have been killed because I have to wait for the ANIMATION to process before I can even get off the ground! You have to learn, for both dragon and biped, how long you can stand and fight before you have to RUN (or, yes, fly).

Dragons get a scale slot opened every 10 levels. While bipeds have fun with level requirements for their armor, but eventually nearing the end of a tier they do get an entire set of armor and Jewelry with tech to play with.

As for the flying away when almost dead… I most often save Refreshing Breeze for that occasion... Refreshing breeze before running and after a few moments of flight… Land cast primal health with cleanse III in the hope that I remove at least 1 DoT which Jorev1 in his huge experience in playing this game seems to forget they existed. DoT’s are really annoying especially when flying. Bipeds can always heal themselves while running away, Dragons in flight who nearly die from a DoT must land first before being able to heal which can make flying actually more of a curse…

Last but not least… When a player is almost dead they have simply been too stupid to stay in a specific high risk spot way to long. I always curse myself for focusing too much on the battle and not on my health bar

[Shian]

when flying. Bipeds can always heal themselves while running away, Dragons in flight who nearly die...

Don't forget those stupid coin bags. I have hundreds of them in my inventory because I rarely have an opportunity to use them. If I'm on the ground, I am digging or fighting. Both take up a spot in the queue. Of course I could travel at a lower speed by using the ground and use the coin bags on the way, but that's about as smart as not bothering to equip speed scales and casting Gift of Velocity: Both are essential to crafting if you want to do anything for the day and have less than an hour of play time. By that I mean creating one type of lairshaping material.

[Reverse]

I'm with ya there Dragonboy, and often times, even WHILE you're lifting off TRYING to fly away, those mobs still nail in ranged attacks on you until you're out of range. Thus speeding up your dying process and often you can STILL be killed while trying to fly away. It's a pain in the arse really.

And as for those whining about us flying with cargo disks. Yes we can fly with them, but imo, i dont know if the higher tiered ones do this or not as I'm not there yet, but my cargo disk slows me down so badly to where it's seriously faster to walk/sprint than it is to fly wihle fully loaded in both scale pack and cargo disk. So really, in MY opinion it's not always 'faster'. It's actually still painfully slow to get to the nearest silo. :/

And us dragons are STUCK at lvl 100 adventure. You bipeds get to continue on, us Dragons have hardly anything to do compared to you bipeds. We can't do any fun crafting alternatives like you, we can't wear jewelry, we can't wear really ANYTHING unless it's a friggin scale that we CAN'T see on us when we put it on since it's just armor or crafting buffs. So really, you bipeds technically experience a more fun time with your crafting abilities, while us dragons merely do them out of necessity and to gain a little bit of money if any at that from what we CAN make.

I STAY dragon because I like being a dragon. I like being able to fly and I'm more often flying UP rather than across to places since it's still faster to port everywhere. I only really fly on leisure/pleasure or escorting someone.

And as for Lairs being 'easier' to build? It's not. Have you actually looked at the planner for building lairs and their rooms? I've got a Grand Hall I believe it's called that I wont be able to finish on my own until at LEAST next year. It will seriously take me forever to build it on my own. It is not easy at all carrying around the things we need to build just one room. So really, I'd be happier building some house or a silo instead of a whole Lair.

In fact I'd like it if as a dragon I COULD even build a silo or something similar as I sometimes like the physical outside structures of human buildings. Granted I adore my Lair but the little wooden silos are cute and add alot to the landscape while travelling. A Lair, however, you don't see since it's all underground. I'd like the ability to be able to build or add to a city in Istaria, indeed.

[Vandellia]

well i wouldnt mind if there were some special machinesbuildings that could be built on a biped plot that required lairshaping skills to be built id love to see some new structures that are bout useful and nice to look at and not butt ugly silo farms. That being said yes dragon crafters are behind the skill set on things that they can make that have a major imprint on the world (excerpting dragon specific things like scales) you would think that as an example that some smart dragon crafter would figure out a way to adapt a dragon claw for the sslik and saris to use as they arent humans but humanoids. and why couldnt a smart dragon modify a wing scale that a dryad could wear?

[Drakarius Shadows]

Could a biped not use a dragon scale as a shield?

[starlight]

well in part a biped can use many different weapons but alot of the are class restrictive and unless a biped has monk or a disciple school they cant hit anything without a weapon or spell as well as armor restrictive classes.

[starlight]

A biped can not move an heal at the same time, detox self will work while moving. all spells if the biped moves it reset the cast time. but detox self only removes a dot or debuff does no healing though

[joemarra052075]

Could a biped not use a dragon scale as a shield?

Only if he wants to be dinner.