Epic Resource Formulas / Epic Tokens

[Terao]

It's gonna make me really upset. I've collected in some weekends enough Epic Tokens to be able to purchase the five Epic Resource Formulas. Now I have to see that all of them got taken out of my knowledge book, I got some Epic Tokens back for them, but not the ammount I've spent on them. What the hell you think how to handle your customers? I stop any activity I've driven and planned on the wiki and other things, that's really something that is no fun.

[Flameus]

Same here, work of 2 weekends blown in the wind.
Please fix that fast
there is enough atm we have to be patient with.

Seems, patchdays are days of grief nowadays.

[Terao]

Found the misssing 72 tokens in the vault. In 11 years of Istaria I can't remember that a scribed form got taken out of my knowledge book. Not one word about this in the patch notes. Nothing. This is not way you should handle your playerbase.

[Flameus]

We got back what we paid for it - and can buy back the forms at about double price.
Not a bad deal ^^ for whom so ever ^^.

[Velea]

I apologize that nothing has gone out about this. Players effected should have been emailed individually and I will double check to ensure that they were.

As was posted in a thread asking about the cost changes, players were reimbursed for any formulas which were purchased between the Content Update and the application of Delta 268. In some cases we were able to leave the formulas in place and simply reduce the number of tokens reimbursed by the cost of the formula (24 Tokens in this case), but in others the formulas had to be deleted.

No stacks of Epic Tokens that were earned in the intervening weeks should have been changed but for two cases, and those two players have been contacted. So some may find that they now have multiple stacks of tokens, I believe is how the reimbursement was done.

You should be able to repurchase any formulas that were removed at the new costs should you have enough tokens total. But in some cases, yes you will need to continue to save Tokens before you can buy all the formulas, as the cost of some increased.

[Alisto]

I was more or less fine with the forms being removed as a result of the entire new epic loot system being implemented. The reimbursement of that has been fair enough, and the reasons behind it solid.

However, this is twice now previously scribed forms - all of which were something of a pain to get - were removed. I really dislike being punished for playing the game - got the forms before the new epic loot system, those are gone...Got the forms before the new token cost changes, those are gone.

Please stop making us re-acquire things we already have.

[Racktor]

Either I'm not understanding the situation or you all are overreacting...

Yes, the initial reimbursement was pretty crap. I understand that, not complaints here. But why are you all getting flustered over the 2nd sweep? It's so that you get your epic tokens back for things you bought with the higher prices so you don't feel cheated since the change happened after you were reimbursed. If you bought stuff and scribed it and now hear it's cheaper I imagine you'd be just as annoyed because you all already spent your hard-earned tokens and now can't take advantage of your extra work.

I can't say there's any better way to do it. Sorry that formulas were wiped but is going back to the formula dealer that much of an issue? Especially after the devs listened to you all about the initial reimbursement and tried to sooth frayed nerves and potential newly frayed nerves by making sure you get your token's worth?

I mean no disrespect but I'm honestly confused by what feels like the hostility towards what I interpret as a kind act. They could have just let you sit there with 144 token worth formulas after changing it saying "hah should have waited"...

Edit:
From what I understand, the epic formulas cost 144 tokens. People were reimbursed 24 for the existing ones. After some anger and arguing, costs were readjusted so that the formulas cost 24 instead, so a 1:1 ratio. Those who bought formulas between the 2 updates were given back the 144 tokens to repurchase their newly-priced formula at 24, technically saving 120 tokens.

If that isn't what this is like then ignore me.

[Tilithia]

I got reimbursed for component formulas. 72 tokens. that part is fine. but I bought those formulas before patch so I could save on tokens . those component formulas now cost 144. this was not cheating just being resourceful.

(im not angry,just kind of frustrated with so many changes at once)

also this is off topic but my main frustration is that those who don't use Skype are often surprised by changes that were never discussed here. (linked dragon abilities). as if hiding things from other players. that's what it looks like to me,sorry.
patch notes mentioned 1.5 second cooldown not 15 seconds.

[Racktor]

I got reimbursed for component formulas. 72 tokens. that part is fine. but I bought those formulas before patch so I could save on tokens . those component formulas now cost 144. this was not cheating just being resourceful.

It's not just that some of formulas disappeared and not even available but they are back now in the npc I checked but not everyone got the formulas for components they subscribed before back.

Ahh alright, that makes more sense. ^^;

also this is off topic but my main frustration is that those who don't use Skype are often surprised by changes that were never discussed here. (linked dragon abilities). as if hiding things from other players. that's what it looks like to me,sorry.

Before I write anything to this I just want to say I don't mean to sound angry, frustrated, accusing, or anything of the sort!

None of us in skype knew of the linked dragon breaths and SHoG/RB. We were all surprised too. We thought it wasn't intended and just asked Amon when he logged on if it was, which he replied yes to. I posted a screenshot here: http://community.istaria.com/forum/s...l=1#post302611

The Shield of Gold and Refreshing Breeze linked cooldown wasn't mentioned either and was in fact a mistake, once again figured out by just asking. (Or maybe Amon mentioned it in passing himself, I'm not sure) The devs just haven't gotten around to, had the time to, or tried to make a thread about it just yet on the forums.

What we did know about was that things were getting lower cooldowns and linked up. But Amon only mentioned that casually as he was going through it and we didn't encourage him to do it or have much of a say. The links for everything except breaths (purposeful, accidentally missed when writing notes) and SHoG/RB (not purposeful) were listed here on the Blight delta: http://community.istaria.com/forum/s...a-268&p=302573

The devs aren't hiding anything from the forums. They just get asked questions and they answer them honestly.. in this situation it's only Amon, since he's the only one currently with presence in the chat. And 99% of the time we are either talking to him like a fellow player or asking him simple questions.
And also this was addressed before here: http://community.istaria.com/forum/s...k-to-the-Skype

patch notes mentioned 1.5 second cooldown not 15 seconds.

Btw cooldown is the time before you can use another ability. Recycle is what all other games call 'cooldown' which is, indeed, 15 seconds.
It was already somewhat addressed here, but I basically just kind of said the same thing: http://community.istaria.com/forum/s...611&viewfull=1

[Tilithia]

fair enough Racktor.
its just an impression ive been getting for a while. I understand,devs are humans as well and may leave things out accidently. I appreciate their work but id appreciate even more if they kept us more informed.

[Spyrioyo]

Either I'm not understanding the situation or you all are overreacting...

Yes, the initial reimbursement was pretty crap. I understand that, not complaints here. But why are you all getting flustered over the 2nd sweep? It's so that you get your epic tokens back for things you bought with the higher prices so you don't feel cheated since the change happened after you were reimbursed. If you bought stuff and scribed it and now hear it's cheaper I imagine you'd be just as annoyed because you all already spent your hard-earned tokens and now can't take advantage of your extra work.

I can't say there's any better way to do it. Sorry that formulas were wiped but is going back to the formula dealer that much of an issue? Especially after the devs listened to you all about the initial reimbursement and tried to sooth frayed nerves and potential newly frayed nerves by making sure you get your token's worth?

I mean no disrespect but I'm honestly confused by what feels like the hostility towards what I interpret as a kind act. They could have just let you sit there with 144 token worth formulas after changing it saying "hah should have waited"...

Edit:
From what I understand, the epic formulas cost 144 tokens. People were reimbursed 24 for the existing ones. After some anger and arguing, costs were readjusted so that the formulas cost 24 instead, so a 1:1 ratio. Those who bought formulas between the 2 updates were given back the 144 tokens to repurchase their newly-priced formula at 24, technically saving 120 tokens.

If that isn't what this is like then ignore me.

It's not just that some of formulas disappeared and not even available but they are back now in the npc I checked but not everyone got the formulas for components they subscribed before back.

[Spyrioyo]

This is ridiculous. I believe a balance needs to be made and people should not be screwed out of the formulas enough please listen to the community. Some of the formulas need to make epics are gone from NPC that sells them and gone from the knowledge book it has affect all players. The community is what keeps this game going if you anger the community you will lose money and the game could shutdown.
Scale Component now doesn't exist only Component that exists is the alchemy. It may be best to do it right away and not wait to Tuesday patch days. Please listen to community more. I care for this game and I don't want to see it go down like this.

[Tilithia]

I think ill hold on with buying anything for few weeks or so till things are settled....

[Spyrioyo]

I been reviewing things and doing calculations the and the current system is fair, just I feel some people need to put efforts in but a good point the epics should be more epic because you have to factor in people making it for them.

[Berseker]

This new system need more fix.

Old System: i had all the forms, so i can do items for friends if they come with mats.

New System: now i have token for rebuy the forms but i can't do nothing because i don't have token for buy component forms, atm not are even for sell. Another bug.

With this "new new" System with different price at the end, in the long time, cost more of the "old new" System (initial price with too low token back 24/288).

Cost of core, too high, need too much. Same cost for make 1 spear/axe/maul and 1 ogii/flurry...

Have to use more simply mats, less core. In 1 day i can have 20-23 token (depend if aura work or not). For 1 core are 96 token, for 3 core are 288 token, so i have to hunt about 13-15 days for enough token for buy core. With those hunts i'll be overload with mats. Need 6 and at the end i'll have a tons.

So less core, maybe some parts without, for reproduce che chance to find a wpn in the past, like with Sog wpn, easy for spear/maul/axe and hard for staff/flurry, really hard for ogii.

In the past you could find 1 spear/maul for 50-100s. Now? With all the work 1 need? I don't think 100s is a fair price.

Another problem.

We have a nice community, so please change the working method.

Devs apply 1 thing - Community rant - Fix in some way - Community rant - Another fix with bug - Community rant - Another fix (and sometime another thing get screwed in the process, dunno why) - Community rant - Another fix - Finally seem to work and community is quiet, not happy

So please try this: speak first and do later. We can have all the patience of the world in the thing are coming in the right way. Less if we have to keep doing and redoing thing for be capable to do the same things. Like for reattunement quest. If i want to see restyled area i'll go, if i have to do for reattune... is a waste of time.

I love this game, but i already have taken a break of some years, restarted play 2 years ago, now seem to be time for another break.

[Spyrioyo]

I agree a more balanced system. I have proposal but I feel they would shoot it down is to have Epic core priced at 60 tokens and 108 tokens for Component formulas. Just enough to balance or raise amount of tokens given by the auras and quests like 20 per quests and 4-5 per aura. In addition no taking away other people's formulas and not giving them back that just makes people mad.

[AmonGwareth]

I agree a more balanced system. I have proposal but I feel they would shoot it down is to have Epic core priced at 60 tokens and 108 tokens for Component formulas. Just enough to balance or raise amount of tokens given by the auras and quests like 20 per quests and 4-5 per aura. In addition no taking away other people's formulas and not giving them back that just makes people mad.

Unfortunately that would make the speed of acquiring epics quite fast. Remember, you do not need to own any formulas to have epic items made for you. So, that would mean your cost would be 180 tokens for an epic. Which at 20 per quest and 5 per aura would net you an epic item in 4 days. Not very epic.

[Berseker]

5 per aura? Lesser give 1, Greater 2, when they give... so 3.
But we can cheat right? So we do a group of 10, take the quest 1 a time, hunt 1 day so we can have 10 for lesser quest, 10 for greater quest, 20 for greater aura and another 10 for lesser aura. So 50 token each a day with a group of 10. 10 because is the limit of group, but we can more time with more people! So start to fix pls, so people don't have to think how to use bad 1 thing who isn't working right.
And we don't even need 10 player because a lot of us are already dual or triple logging and all the token go to only 1 toon. Stop dual/triple log? Attune the token so we can't trade? Lose money or kill the market?
Those items aren't Excalibur... Some are good like flurry, some are nice like ogii, but you don't see a lot of player going around in a class who can use.
Others, like Sog axe, spear, maul, think some others from Reklar/Valkor no one use, we only want for some kind of collection, at least me, but chance to use? 0.
At this cost? I don't want even for collection.
Usefull epic things are like 3-4 on what? 18? So we don't need a lot of token. Is nice to have all, but wasting too much time? No thanks.
In the past was a nice gift to receive a Sog spear/axe/maul. Sometime even a staff or flurry. Now? Can't happen again. Too much work to do.
So, more comps, less core (for Ogii 3 is good, maybe 2 for Flurry, others i have but i never used so i dunno if are good or bad).
Ah, less weight too, we have some problem for storage using bags. So maybe a new bag or crate or something without bulk limit should be a nice things to have for keep house and hall in order.
And i dunno if on blight have component forms for sell now, but if not, maybe is another nice thing to do, first try on blight, then add on live shard.

[Terao]

And i dunno if on blight have component forms for sell now, but if not, maybe is another nice thing to do, first try on blight, then add on live shard.

You are wrong on that detail, the component forms are for sale on Vargas, and they already where post patch. There are five: Alchemy Component, Leather Component, Metal Component, Scale Component, Wooden Component - I know because I already owned them, and they where taken away... But that's the story that started this thread. And yes I'm still concerned about.

[Spyrioyo]

Unfortunately that would make the speed of acquiring epics quite fast. Remember, you do not need to own any formulas to have epic items made for you. So, that would mean your cost would be 180 tokens for an epic. Which at 20 per quest and 5 per aura would net you an epic item in 4 days. Not very epic.

I agree but that was just a wild suggestion. I forget to take that into account. Let me rethink I think keep everything the same maybe increase the Greater Quest give out by a little. Maybe some of the epics should be more epic it needs to be worth called an epic. Worth the price it needs to make them.