Scholar Revamp Discussion

[Guaran]

Level 82? Spellcrafters gain 10 points per level in that skill so they will pass the 312 mark when they reach level 34.

Yeah but Spellcrafter starts at level 10. So you have 10 scholar levels at 8 per level, 72 spellcrafter levels at 10 per level to = 800 base, which is what 100 scholar would have.

At least I sould have swore my spellcrafter started at level 10.

[Peaches]

All a level 100 scholar will lose (assuming they do not also have level 82 or higher spellcrafter), is some of their spellcraft skill. Scholar will not get points in the spellcraft skill from level 40 on. So the skill will be 312 base I believe, since level 39 is the last level to get any skill (39 levels x 8). If you have spellcrafter at level 82 or higher, you will see no change in your spellcraft skill. The tier of Rune Stylus you can equip might be affected also.

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ok thanks tons!

[awdz]

I certainly started spellcrafter at 10... Here's hoping radiant orbs help me level quickly! :-)

[rizo/nawkia]

I cant wait for these an to come back

[Garrick]

I love this plan! I'm proud to be a part of it!

I have only one suggestion:
rather than change the class to no longer gain skill past level 39, why not just set the skill gain per level to say 5. This way scholars would still see skill gains all the way through to 100, but they'd still be limited to about half the full spell levels as a spellcrafter. I think this would avoid a lot of confusion among new players and those who perhaps don't read the updates when their scholar levels suddenly arent seeing spellcraft gains. It also seems to me this would be easier to implement rather than changing the class mechanics.

Just my 2 coppers.

[C`gan]

So, while we're on the subject, I'm assuming you're also rolling out for us a new crafthall for the papyrus processing and such. Will it use the same scholars hall that is already in use that has the scholar bench and essence channeler? Or will this be a separate hall for the papyrus processing and scribing?

[Unicorn's Lady]

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but there are a few things that just seem odd to me about the Scholar & Spellcrafter redo.

1. Aren't the scrolls concept doing a major overlap of what the Alchemist potions do?
Particularly the:

• Bolster Armor, Dex, Focus, Health, Power, Strength potions
• Ginesh's Thickened Skin potions
• Latro's Evasive Aura potions
• Quint's Quickstep potions
• Vestia's Soothing Remedy potions.

Are you planning to do a major redo of the Alchemist School in the future?

2. Why are you making the Scholar School a specialist school? Was it because someone equated Scholar with Scroll? (That's what my son did), if so, then Spellcrafter fits even better (namewise) and adding the making of scrolls to the Prestige school would make better sense. Just like Blacksmith is the generalist school for tools and weapons, but Tinker (the Prestige school for tools) not only can make tools, it also makes special items such as disks, fabricators, & keys.

If Scholar is left the way it is, then Master Scholars still aren't as good as Master Spellcrafters and Spellcrafters will have the special ability of scrollmaking (just like the Tinker's specialties). You won't have to hamstring and drastically rewrite Scholars.



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[AmonGwareth]

Sorry to be a wet blanket, but there are a few things that just seem odd to me about the Scholar & Spellcrafter redo.

1. Aren't the scrolls concept doing a major overlap of what the Alchemist potions do?
Particularly the:

• Bolster Armor, Dex, Focus, Health, Power, Strength potions
• Ginesh's Thickened Skin potions
• Latro's Evasive Aura potions
• Quint's Quickstep potions
• Vestia's Soothing Remedy potions.

Are you planning to do a major redo of the Alchemist School in the future?

No, they don't overlap.

2. Why are you making the Scholar School a specialist school? Was it because someone equated Scholar with Scroll? (That's what my son did), if so, then Spellcrafter fits even better (namewise) and adding the making of scrolls to the Prestige school would make better sense. Just like Blacksmith is the generalist school for tools and weapons, but Tinker (the Prestige school for tools) not only can make tools, it also makes special items such as disks, fabricators, & keys.

If Scholar is left the way it is, then Master Scholars still aren't as good as Master Spellcrafters and Spellcrafters will have the special ability of scrollmaking (just like the Tinker's specialties). You won't have to hamstring and drastically rewrite Scholars.

You said it yourself. SPELL-crafter.

[Guaran]

If they don't overlap, then does that mean these new scrolls' effects will stack with potions? Because if they will not, this scholar revamp is a huge waste of time.

[AmonGwareth]

If they don't overlap, then does that mean these new scrolls' effects will stack with potions? Because if they will not, this scholar revamp is a huge waste of time.

Scroll effects are equatable to the spells they are based upon. So if the potion and spell conflict, then the potion and scroll will conflict. If they don't, then they won't. Scrolls are simply meant to be a means for players to have certain spells available to them without having a player there to cast the spell on them.

[Kulamata]

... Scrolls are simply meant to be a means for players to have certain spells available to them without having a player there to cast the spell on them.

Well, when you put it that way, it's quite a nifty idea...

[Ry]

If the scroll conflicts with some other effect, be it potion or another spell, will it be set up so that the scroll is not used, and a message given? It would be annoying to buy scrolls and use them, then have them conflict with someting and be used up and wasted.

[Dragonboy]

If the scroll conflicts with some other effect, be it potion or another spell, will it be set up so that the scroll is not used, and a message given? It would be annoying to buy scrolls and use them, then have them conflict with someting and be used up and wasted.

I agree

[Fyrethorne]

Good point Ry. I can see a lot of upcoming frustration from bought scrolls that are wasted by mistake.

[Peaches]

Hi I must apologize as I still do not understand this upcoming change. My question is this:

My goal is to get all my crafting classes to 100. I am close, but no cigar quite yet. I have 87 in scholar. and am currently working it up to have that class done at 100. Then I only have 2 left to get to 100, armoror and weaponsmith. Then I can get my gm crafter emblem. If I dont finish scholar to 100 before this change in implemented, will I still be able to get scholar to 100 so that I can get that one completed to work on the last two for my gm emblem?

[awdz]

I think the answer is yes. They are only changing one skill for another within the class, making scholars writers of scrolls instead of writers of spells. The class as a whole and the level requirements for the GM emblem will remain, as I understand it.

[Peaches]

But, what about the skill points we are losing? Is that not the same thing that is used to get ones emblem?

[awdz]

If you already have 82 - 100 spellcrafter, you will not lose anything. I did not bother leveling up spellcrafter before, because I made spells based on my scholar abilities. Now I'm scrambling to earn spellcrafter levels while working radiant essence for my shops.

[Peaches]

Ok I have 100 spellcrafter. So all is well then! Thanks!

[C`gan]

So, while we're on the subject, I'm assuming you're also rolling out for us a new crafthall for the papyrus processing and such. Will it use the same scholars hall that is already in use that has the scholar bench and essence channeler? Or will this be a separate hall for the papyrus processing and scribing?

Just requoting this since it hasn't been addressed as of yet that I've seen. Perhaps I missed it in the original proposal.

I'm debating personally about raising my scholar class beyond 19 since I'm not a spell person of any sort and got scholar only so I could get the essence requirements for enchanter.