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    I wanted to expound on all the chatter about the epic tokens for our forms and pieces from epics that we had. It looks like the common trade when the delta went through was 24 tokens, and it cost 288 tokens to get it back. I had those 4 formulas in my vault unscribed, I had the skills to scribe them, I just didn't have all the pieces so I saved it. They were very valuable and sometimes you can come across a player that will trade a formula for a piece ect..

    Background: In the past typically it would take 10 people to take down reklar, and then 10 people would roll for the piece IF IT DROPPED. It didn't always drop then 1 person would win. It might take 7-8 times of unluckiness or more to win a form or a piece. I know this was complained about and you guys changed the game to try to help that. I thank you for that, however 24 tokens for all those kills is unfair. In todays world of istaria those 7-8 kills with the quest would at least give you 70-80 tokens plus the loot drop.

    I am ok with the new loot system on epics, however I do very strongly believe that any forms that we had in the past that were unscribed or scribed were ours already, we put in the blood, sweat and tears to get them and why did I need to lose that formula? I have already killed Reklar many times to roll for those. We should be grandfathered in to any forms we had that were unscribed to even the playing field and then move on with the new system for anything else. I understand the formulas are different now, so we should have gotten 288 epic tokens to replace the formulas that were ripped from our cold dead hands.
    Hopeful player,
    -Korchak Strongbone (Adventure Rating 232, Grand Master Crafter)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korchak Strongbone View Post

    I am ok with the new loot system on epics, however I do very strongly believe that any forms that we had in the past that were unscribed or scribed were ours already, we put in the blood, sweat and tears to get them and why did I need to lose that formula? I have already killed Reklar many times to roll for those. We should be grandfathered in to any forms we had that were unscribed to even the playing field and then move on with the new system for anything else. I understand the formulas are different now, so we should have gotten 288 epic tokens to replace the formulas that were ripped from our cold dead hands.
    Hopeful player,
    -Korchak Strongbone (Adventure Rating 232, Grand Master Crafter)
    I'll add in here too, this just might be the straw that breaks the camel for me. I was majorly upset on the last change
    that took away our Master forms and we were forced to buy the "new" half of a formula we already had paid 2.5 gold for.

    NOW I have a pile of tokens that don't come close to replacing the forms I already had scribed for the Epic weapons on
    my toons. The Reklar Sash is incredibly hard to get as a drop, and on Order the chances for Epic hunts anymore are
    almost zero. We just don't have the population anymore. I had four epic forms on one toon (Pickel) and the Sash
    was scribed by Andaras.

    I've updated my ticket to VI and posted it into the General topic for this EPIC change.

    If they don't compensate me appropriately (Full recovery of previously scribed formulae), I'll be considering leaving
    Istaria after 11 years. Hard thing to decide, but with the Devs openly pushing "tough noogies, we don't care about
    your hard work" to the Elder players, I think it's time.

    Andaras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andaras View Post

    If they don't compensate me appropriately (Full recovery of previously scribed formulae), I'll be considering leaving
    Istaria after 11 years. Hard thing to decide, but with the Devs openly pushing "tough noogies, we don't care about
    your hard work" to the Elder players, I think it's time.
    Although I don't like that they took our forms (i lost 6 in total, my wife also lost 2) I don't think they quite come across as not caring. I would accept perhaps as little as 75% refund...
    Gwain Drago - Mystic Paladin
    Arzel - Knight of creation/Battlemage
    Aurakvoar - Ancient Lunus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calyndrell View Post
    I would accept perhaps as little as 75% refund...
    I would accept no less than 80%, on par with novians :P

    /rant (this is the rant section, right)
    I'm guessing, from the dev point of view, they're made it considerably 'easier' to get them again. In the past, as Kor said, we'd have to hunt for a freaking long time, loosing many /randoms and even getting completely shafted with the 'no loot' kills. The new epic system seems much more even, especially for those who can't hunt these behemoths every day (anecdotal aside: I'd noticed in the past, it was hard to get new hunters along, as they felt they would never win a random and thus never get the pieces/weapons, so why bother... but now, with everyone getting something, it should be easier to get people involved)... double kick in the shins though, with Dragon DPS considerably lessened, makes it harder yet again though not impossible of course.

    grain of salt: my playing times are typically in the quiet times, so getting a full group has always been hard for me, I can only imagine it would be harder on Order. That said, through sheer perseverance over many years and some other very kind hunters, I have managed epic weapons from Sog and Valkor, never Reklar though... stingy Dragon (he was the worst for the 'no loot' kills).
    --- iuvenilis --- [Officer of The Alliance]
    Demonslaying since July 2004

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    Another thing of new system...

    We need some main forms (Epic armor Reklar's Sash of Fury and so on, 18 x 288 token) and some "middle" too (Alchemy component, Scale component and so, so another 5 x 72 token, without these we can't do nothing), then we need to buy Epic Armor Core or Weapon Core... for each craft, so another 24 everytime.

    So maybe we have to hunt for Sog forms, maybe new "middle" forms. But if someone have before, need at least the same value for rebuy it, and we already have some work to do for be capable to craft again in anyway.

    So new things are nice, ty for that, but working months again for redo 1 thing isn't funny at all.

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